Paul Eres (rinku) wrote in tildemask,
Paul Eres
rinku
tildemask

conversation between me and harlock about tilde on 8/27/02

Rinku Hero says:
i was thinking that the theme should be the mask of , but also in how it is just a mask, and can be removed, even in the most like
Rinku Hero says:
like, each of the main parts of the game should involve the idea that a person may be unworldly outwardly, but that it is not real, and is just a group mind working through your mind
Rinku Hero says:
the main conflict in the game, disregarding characters, is the conflict of keeping the mask seperate from the self, or joining with it
Rinku Hero says:
like, in school
Rinku Hero says:
meen and neem are forced to go through the motions of school
Rinku Hero says:
like you and i were
Rinku Hero says:
but it was only an outward show, inside we were still human
Rinku Hero says:
we didn't become fused with the school nonsense, as some do
Rinku Hero says:
so the theme would be how to keep from being fused with a mask, when force is employed upon you to wear one
Rinku Hero says:
obviously if there were a choice, there would be no mask of
Rinku Hero says:
only made necessary because of the unworld's force
HarlockHero says:
yes
Rinku Hero says:
so write the school story with that in mind
Rinku Hero says:
show those that fuse with the mask, and those that don't
Rinku Hero says:
the zombies would be the ultimate fusion
HarlockHero says:
alright
HarlockHero says:
besides that, we were up to the point where antimony joins in the overall story
HarlockHero says:
what happens when he joins proper?
Rinku Hero says:
the train
Rinku Hero says:
which is good as is, almost
Rinku Hero says:
needs more atmosphere though
HarlockHero says:
we can't just have join -> train
Rinku Hero says:
more shadows, lights going on and off
HarlockHero says:
there needs to be transition
HarlockHero says:
like hugo
Rinku Hero says:
why
Rinku Hero says:
what transition
HarlockHero says:
hnn
Rinku Hero says:
training?
HarlockHero says:
let's see
HarlockHero says:
yeah
Rinku Hero says:
antimony's men could train tilde's group
HarlockHero says:
a good interlude
HarlockHero says:
but in what?
HarlockHero says:
antimony's men are as skilled as mortevold would be
HarlockHero says:
nor andre since he learned a bit from mortevold
Rinku Hero says:
you're the martial artist
HarlockHero says:
perhaps the interlude could be on not only learning to fight
HarlockHero says:
but also the realization that they'll need masks to get to the north
HarlockHero says:
so you would have to form strategies somehow
Rinku Hero says:
how
HarlockHero says:
don't know
HarlockHero says:
but there should be something about the scene relating to masks
Rinku Hero says:
maybe...
Rinku Hero says:
andre wants to build 3 more masks
Rinku Hero says:
for antimony, mortevold, and himself
Rinku Hero says:
and you need to gather the materials
Rinku Hero says:
idle enough?
Rinku Hero says:
or calm?
HarlockHero says:
but that sort of breaks down the targetting gameplay, right?
HarlockHero says:
since tilde w/ mask is the one who leads
Rinku Hero says:
so no masks then
Rinku Hero says:
what other calm have you in mind?
Rinku Hero says:
how about
Rinku Hero says:
they get on the train
Rinku Hero says:
and for awhile they talk
Rinku Hero says:
and talk to passengers
Rinku Hero says:
with no trouble till they get near the north pole
Rinku Hero says:
that'll be calm
HarlockHero says:
that's good too, but i think we need to do something with andre's group
HarlockHero says:
as it is, they're not even seen
HarlockHero says:
you just hear about them, then they die
Rinku Hero says:
andre's group?
Rinku Hero says:
or antimony's?
HarlockHero says:
oh
HarlockHero says:
antimony's
Rinku Hero says:
k
Rinku Hero says:
but they aren't that important
Rinku Hero says:
well
Rinku Hero says:
they do show that the mask has a healty state
Rinku Hero says:
heathy
Rinku Hero says:
healthy
HarlockHero says:
how so?
Rinku Hero says:
because, they would be like the heroists
Rinku Hero says:
but
Rinku Hero says:
they would also be normal people
Rinku Hero says:
pretending to be fools of
Rinku Hero says:
but come down to the sewers once in awhile to help
Rinku Hero says:
and you might even meet their alter identities
Rinku Hero says:
like, maybe they could be scattered all about the town
HarlockHero says:
ah, a good idea
Rinku Hero says:
you never know when a citizen who you think is a fool is really an antimony
HarlockHero says:
very good
HarlockHero says:
when first perusing the town
HarlockHero says:
you can encounter some of them
HarlockHero says:
but there should be some subtle way for heroes to recognize the difference
HarlockHero says:
or even failing that
HarlockHero says:
you could have like
HarlockHero says:
some guy in the sewers is building a heroic machine
HarlockHero says:
with parts he stole from his factory job
HarlockHero says:
and if you talked to him in the factory, it can show a quick flashback of it
HarlockHero says:
etc etc
Rinku Hero says:
yeah
Rinku Hero says:
perhaps one of the schoolteachers
Rinku Hero says:
like that guy who drove you to the mental institution
Rinku Hero says:
who said he had to keep 'a low profile'
HarlockHero says:
yeah
HarlockHero says:
okay, that's good
HarlockHero says:
that will give them importance
HarlockHero says:
and inspire hope for their success in the players
HarlockHero says:
then we'll do the talking to passengers calm
HarlockHero says:
which is needed anyway
HarlockHero says:
to up the atmospheric wa of the train ride
HarlockHero says:
and to make it more O_O!!!! when caduceus finally appears over the speakers
HarlockHero says:
i think the train ride should be totally silent too except for a bam simulating a train noise
HarlockHero says:
such a decision will add tension to the scene's calm part
HarlockHero says:
of course, there will be music once the chase starts
Rinku Hero says:
k
Rinku Hero says:
the shiz part, okay as is?
Rinku Hero says:
did i even write the shiz part yet?
HarlockHero says:
going too fast
HarlockHero says:
we need to decide what happens once cad appears, and work slowly from there to the end, since we're now going to make the end tragic
Rinku Hero says:
is mortevold going to stay on the train?
Rinku Hero says:
to fight caduceus?
Rinku Hero says:
to make up for his errors of the past?
Rinku Hero says:
i was thinking mortevold could be like
Rinku Hero says:
someone who says 'if only i had acted with more zig in my youth!'
Rinku Hero says:
'3 days! only 3 days more!'
HarlockHero says:
i think its better to have him deal with the confrontation and survive, but then make that decision at the end in a '3 days more!!" type scene before he runs out of the castle to hold off the 255 npc army
Rinku Hero says:
hm
Rinku Hero says:
maybe
HarlockHero says:
also, he would know caduceus would be there
Rinku Hero says:
caduceus is like his arch-enemy though
Rinku Hero says:
yeah
Rinku Hero says:
we could show the beginning of the battle with him
Rinku Hero says:
but not the end
HarlockHero says:
right
HarlockHero says:
ideally he'd go out and fight off the first wave of soldiers
HarlockHero says:
like 20 or 30
Rinku Hero says:
yeah
HarlockHero says:
and then enter combat with caduceus
Rinku Hero says:
and could show the elves shooting arrows out the windo
Rinku Hero says:
window
Rinku Hero says:
and tilde starting to lead a charge
Rinku Hero says:
with a group of elves w/ toys of war
Rinku Hero says:
anyway, to shiz
Rinku Hero says:
is the shiz part written?
Rinku Hero says:
also, i was thinking we should rename shiz
Rinku Hero says:
and the forest of the second hand should now be the forest of the shared root
Rinku Hero says:
could just call shiz the penguin lord
Rinku Hero says:
and remove the whitehead name
Rinku Hero says:
so it's more fictional
HarlockHero says:
right
HarlockHero says:
okay, the shiz part
HarlockHero says:
how will it come into knowing that he is meen and neem's uncle?
Rinku Hero says:
don't know
Rinku Hero says:
they could mention it
Rinku Hero says:
before meen and neem depart
Rinku Hero says:
they could ask to go to the north pole
Rinku Hero says:
and tilde could refuse, since they are young
Rinku Hero says:
but they could give advice on shiz
Rinku Hero says:
also, the penguin lord's essence should be someone who values lesser values more than greater ones
Rinku Hero says:
like, he only helps santa because if not, his penguins would be killed
Rinku Hero says:
so he values the penguins more than meen and neem and the rest of the world, etc.
HarlockHero says:
ah, yeah
HarlockHero says:
a good idea
HarlockHero says:
so he was a zoologist or something?
HarlockHero says:
....... what?
HarlockHero says:
i just went to get dinner, and i came back and sat it down on my desk. i just now lifted it and under it is a namecard like the kind students order for graduation announcements
HarlockHero says:
but it wasn't on my desk before i got the food
HarlockHero says:
its "vanessa cardona", my school, my graduating class
Rinku Hero says:
??
HarlockHero says:
don't know, anyway
HarlockHero says:
but you're overlooking a scene before shiz
HarlockHero says:
the swerds/swards
HarlockHero says:
the animalistic ones, not the humanoid ones
HarlockHero says:
how are they fought/beaten?
Rinku Hero says:
i forget
Rinku Hero says:
but it was in the gameplay
Rinku Hero says:
something like...
Rinku Hero says:
yeah, that's it
Rinku Hero says:
you just have to stand there and withstand their attack
Rinku Hero says:
and they run out of mp after awhile
Rinku Hero says:
and can be killed easily
Rinku Hero says:
but if you hit them
Rinku Hero says:
before they run out of mp
Rinku Hero says:
they gain more mp and become even stronger
Rinku Hero says:
so the idea is that you have to bear evil, wait for the correct moment, then strike after it exhausts itself
Rinku Hero says:
and not give it fuel by hitting it a little until it's time
HarlockHero says:
alright
HarlockHero says:
there should be clues to that, of course
Rinku Hero says:
yes
Rinku Hero says:
okay, after that is shiz
Rinku Hero says:
and he clings to his penguins and dies for it
Rinku Hero says:
the way to kill him, gameplay wise, is to kill the penguins
Rinku Hero says:
he'll give up lots of hp to heal them
HarlockHero says:
(;_
Rinku Hero says:
like, he could have 10000 hp
Rinku Hero says:
and he uses 1000 hp to heal a penguin 100 hp
Rinku Hero says:
or to revive one
Rinku Hero says:
when it's weak
HarlockHero says:
okay
HarlockHero says:
you can figure out the logistics of how to make that work in the engine
HarlockHero says:
what will happen when he dies?
HarlockHero says:
we should show though, how the penguins are sort of a worthless value and that he gets nothing in return from them
HarlockHero says:
maybe we can have the penguins eat his body when he dies ^_^
HarlockHero says:
what do you think?
Rinku Hero says:
yeah
Rinku Hero says:
also they should do a lot less damage than him in battle
Rinku Hero says:
be useless as far as the battle is concerned
HarlockHero says:
yeah
HarlockHero says:
alright, ninjelves assault you on the way to the castle
HarlockHero says:
as well as snowmen
Rinku Hero says:
yes
HarlockHero says:
what is the nature of those scenes?
Rinku Hero says:
nothing yet
Rinku Hero says:
just they see you and attack
HarlockHero says:
snowmen we decided are there to show what again?
HarlockHero says:
the efforts of community over individual?
Rinku Hero says:
sort of
Rinku Hero says:
they aren't important enemies though
Rinku Hero says:
just things that patrol the borders
HarlockHero says:
alright
HarlockHero says:
ninjelves should be able to be avoided
HarlockHero says:
by watching their dash patterns
Rinku Hero says:
yeah
Rinku Hero says:
haha
HarlockHero says:
some fool added you to their friends list
HarlockHero says:
commented in your journal to tell you that
Rinku Hero says:
?
HarlockHero says:
and i read their lj, and it said they used to have a samurai lj
HarlockHero says:
so i was like "oh boy, an lj for samurai!!!"
HarlockHero says:
then i went there and was broken-hearted
Rinku Hero says:
hehe
HarlockHero says:
alright, so after those defenses, anything left before the castle proper?
HarlockHero says:
don't you fight rudolph + reindeer right before entering the castle?
HarlockHero says:
i think so
Rinku Hero says:
yes
Rinku Hero says:
they merge
Rinku Hero says:
perhaps we could show them merge via npcs
HarlockHero says:
that's the worst enemy graphic because we were pressed for time
HarlockHero says:
i'm going to make a new one
HarlockHero says:
of a huge grotesque mass
Rinku Hero says:
k
HarlockHero says:
full of snarling heads and twitching limbs and gibbering... antlers.....
Rinku Hero says:
k
Rinku Hero says:
next, the workshop
Rinku Hero says:
the main part of that is getting the elves to your side
Rinku Hero says:
including eleven seeing the metaelves
HarlockHero says:
you progress through it by means of the timed-doors, right?
Rinku Hero says:
yes
HarlockHero says:
alright, so the objective of it is what?
HarlockHero says:
to get x number of elves to join you to aid in the progression through the castle, and to meet eleven and let andre take him to the meta elves
HarlockHero says:
what happens in the meta elf chamber?
Rinku Hero says:
the meta elf chapter
Rinku Hero says:
is about eleven and the other elves seeing the true nature of how elves are made
Rinku Hero says:
and thereby realizing that they are fools to obey santa
HarlockHero says:
how are the elves made again?
Rinku Hero says:
also, there should be some kind of elf override chip
Rinku Hero says:
that santa can use to control elves
Rinku Hero says:
but he can only use it one at a time, or a few at a time
Rinku Hero says:
so he stops tilde and andre during battle (0 speed)
Rinku Hero says:
but then the other elves come and save you
Rinku Hero says:
and since he can't control so many at once, the hold on andre/tilde breaks
Rinku Hero says:
the elves are made in vats
Rinku Hero says:
perhaps like nanotech
HarlockHero says:
the metaelves serve what purpose?
HarlockHero says:
i have forgotten
Rinku Hero says:
not sure
Rinku Hero says:
i'd have to reread it
Rinku Hero says:
go check what i have written in it
HarlockHero says:
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
also
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
we should integrate christmas stories into the game
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
mention scrooge
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
and rudolph
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
and frosty the snow man
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
and other christmas type things
Rinku Hero says:
hm
Rinku Hero says:
good ideas... but... how?
Rinku Hero says:
we can probably add indirect references easily
HarlockHero says:
yeah
Rinku Hero says:
like, a capitalist named scrooge
Rinku Hero says:
who is a part of antimony's group
Rinku Hero says:
and perhaps the snowmen could look like frosty
Rinku Hero says:
have top hats
HarlockHero says:
the idea behind it was, of course, to show that the entirety of christmas and the 'christmas spirit" is a conspiracy by blaggenthorg
Rinku Hero says:
yes
Rinku Hero says:
what other xmas stories should we rain justice upon?
HarlockHero says:
hmm
HarlockHero says:
rudolph, frosty, santa
HarlockHero says:
scrooge
HarlockHero says:
other icons you can think of?
HarlockHero says:
well
HarlockHero says:
there's jesus
HarlockHero says:
but, heh....
Rinku Hero says:
hehe
Rinku Hero says:
doesn't count
HarlockHero says:
right
Rinku Hero says:
research the history of the xmas holiday
Rinku Hero says:
not christianity, but the holiday and what it is associated with
Rinku Hero says:
we would find more ideas there
HarlockHero says:
alright, you start doing that, while i continue searching for the bit about the metaelves
HarlockHero says:
then i'll assist you
HarlockHero says:
no mention of them in there
Rinku Hero says:
hm
Rinku Hero says:
the idea was that eleven would chase you down some passages
Rinku Hero says:
see the meta-elves
Rinku Hero says:
finally realize that what you were telling him was right
Rinku Hero says:
the meta-elves would attack
Rinku Hero says:
he would defend you and die
HarlockHero says:
oh yeah
HarlockHero says:
that's right
HarlockHero says:
the meta-elves purpose was to manufacture slave elfs i think
HarlockHero says:
not much more
Rinku Hero says:
yeah
Rinku Hero says:
they were blue
Rinku Hero says:
and had yellow eyes
HarlockHero says:
so after that
HarlockHero says:
you reach santa?
HarlockHero says:
or was there more?
Rinku Hero says:
i think that's it
Rinku Hero says:
should we have a ms. claus?
HarlockHero says:
no
HarlockHero says:
don't see any reason for it
Rinku Hero says:
yeah
Rinku Hero says:
should we keep the posters?
Rinku Hero says:
of &and, heretic, ergin
Rinku Hero says:
or should we leave them till the end or before the beginning?
Rinku Hero says:
to maintain the illusion of fiction?
HarlockHero says:
hmm
HarlockHero says:
the *concept* of it is good
HarlockHero says:
but we could maybe alter the execution a bit
Rinku Hero says:
how
HarlockHero says:
hmm
HarlockHero says:
we can have a list of orders on a desk or something somewhere
HarlockHero says:
with things like "dangerous actions to be monitored"
HarlockHero says:
and have a listing of things on it like "heretic, fake title, fake title, ergintandal, fake title, fake title, etc.", and then some mention of how the campaign to destroy "fake title" was successful and the potential author has been institutionalized
Rinku Hero says:
hm
Rinku Hero says:
but no posters?
Rinku Hero says:
we could still have them pre or post game
Rinku Hero says:
like some games advertise other games within them
HarlockHero says:
if it can be fit in without being too intrusive, then yes
Rinku Hero says:
but as a selection from the main menu
HarlockHero says:
yeah
HarlockHero says:
like dvd extras
Rinku Hero says:
yep
Rinku Hero says:
we should also include an instruction manual
Rinku Hero says:
with design drawings in full color
Rinku Hero says:
and the design doc notes
Rinku Hero says:
and a 'forward'
Rinku Hero says:
like rand wrote for the fountainhead
HarlockHero says:
hrmm, it would be best to have something like
HarlockHero says:
an .exe
HarlockHero says:
with a menu that pops up
Rinku Hero says:
yeah, we could do that
HarlockHero says:
and you can choose "play the game", "design notes", "concept art", "trailers", etc.
Rinku Hero says:
do you know any programming to do that in?
HarlockHero says:
not i
HarlockHero says:
qbasic, but the graphical resolution isn't really good for showing off concept art
Rinku Hero says:
hehe
Rinku Hero says:
we can use game maker then
Rinku Hero says:
it allows running of other programs
HarlockHero says:
ah, yeah, good idea
Rinku Hero says:
might even include a mini-game in game maker
Rinku Hero says:
with a top score thing
Rinku Hero says:
somehow relating to tilde
Rinku Hero says:
maybe a clone of space invaders, with unworld soldiers marching down
HarlockHero says:
yeah
HarlockHero says:
easy enough to do
HarlockHero says:
alright, so the group enters santa's chamber
HarlockHero says:
santa talks about doom and devestation and the hopelessness of individualism
HarlockHero says:
then what?
HarlockHero says:
the first battle
HarlockHero says:
he weilds his power and uses it to stop tilde and andre
Rinku Hero says:
the elves rush in and defeat him
HarlockHero says:
but then the battle ends after morte and anti harm him enough, and the other elves run in
Rinku Hero says:
then he flees
HarlockHero says:
tilde and andre can move again, and the battle restarts, this time with sparking machine santa?
Rinku Hero says:
and we give chance
Rinku Hero says:
yeah
Rinku Hero says:
with rocket launchers and etc.
HarlockHero says:
okay, so he's beaten, and then the dialogue with andre
HarlockHero says:
about wanting to be in the world, not apart from it
HarlockHero says:
then he malfunctions and dies
HarlockHero says:
and antimony brings up the concept that 2 befouled xmases in a row is going to arouse serious suspicion
HarlockHero says:
and tilde makes a speech to the elves that they must take up arms against the coming threat
HarlockHero says:
then what?
Rinku Hero says:
then they get the letter
Rinku Hero says:
about meen and neem
HarlockHero says:
from who?
Rinku Hero says:
strand
HarlockHero says:
from strand, yes
HarlockHero says:
but how do they get it, i mean
Rinku Hero says:
this is all unplayable after santa
Rinku Hero says:
a puff of smoke
Rinku Hero says:
or maybe it could crawl out of the wall
HarlockHero says:
should he actually appear?
Rinku Hero says:
maybe
HarlockHero says:
maybe some weird shadowy spider thing should crawl out of a puff of smoke to deliver it
HarlockHero says:
then just fades away
HarlockHero says:
like the ICO enemies
Rinku Hero says:
oh, that reminds me
Rinku Hero says:
ico 2 is being made
Rinku Hero says:
and this time they go out into the world, not just the castle
HarlockHero says:
that's good
Rinku Hero says:
or maybe the letter can be found within santa
Rinku Hero says:
after he does
Rinku Hero says:
dies
Rinku Hero says:
as if strand knew this day would come
Rinku Hero says:
or prepared for it a day in advance or something
HarlockHero says:
no because santa has been around way before meen, neem, tilde, or anyone else referenced in it
Rinku Hero says:
k
HarlockHero says:
ah
HarlockHero says:
an elf could run in bleeding and wounded
HarlockHero says:
and when they ask, he could say "i was keeping guard and a man appeared... gave me this"
HarlockHero says:
and briefly describe strand, then say that he tried to detain him or something, but was struck down
Rinku Hero says:
no, because wounding after the final wounding would be anticlimatic
Rinku Hero says:
not bleeding and wounded, but shaken would be beter
Rinku Hero says:
better
Rinku Hero says:
unharmed
HarlockHero says:
yeah
HarlockHero says:
right
HarlockHero says:
he can say something like
HarlockHero says:
"he... he laughs like a dead person"
HarlockHero says:
and then have to go lie down
HarlockHero says:
but anyway, they get the letter
HarlockHero says:
who shall read it aloud?
Rinku Hero says:
don't know
Rinku Hero says:
could just be shown graphically
Rinku Hero says:
with bg's
HarlockHero says:
well, either way, the strongest reaction to the letter will be mortevold
Rinku Hero says:
why
HarlockHero says:
because of meen and neem
HarlockHero says:
and how he failed to protect them by allowing evil to exist as long as he did
Rinku Hero says:
ah
Rinku Hero says:
yes, after the letter, he could go into '2 more days!' mode
Rinku Hero says:
you should write that
Rinku Hero says:
since it was your invention
HarlockHero says:
okay
Rinku Hero says:
k, then after that the attack
HarlockHero says:
then the elf lookouts spy the army approaching
Rinku Hero says:
brb
HarlockHero says:
strand should mention something about them in the letter perhaps. that he's found andre's toy "most amusing" and has a surprise in store for them all
Rinku Hero says:
k, back
Rinku Hero says:
good idea
Rinku Hero says:
also, antimony should already know that the mission will probably end up like that
Rinku Hero says:
but still agrees to do it for its inspirational value
Rinku Hero says:
since it'll get people all across the world to see heroism in action
Rinku Hero says:
since it would be hard to hide santa being destroyed and the elves rebelling
HarlockHero says:
right
Rinku Hero says:
so it's tragic, but not tragic like 1984
Rinku Hero says:
since there is still a chance that greater heroes will emerge
Rinku Hero says:
so, they should broadcast this
HarlockHero says:
so caduceus is shown outside with the first wave of the unworld army. mortevold makes up his mind, goes outside and defeats 20 or 30 soldiers, then stands off against caduceus, and says something like the heroes in ff6 say at the end, then they begin to fight, and it cuts back to the castle
Rinku Hero says:
like, make a tape of it somehow
Rinku Hero says:
and put it on worldwide tv
HarlockHero says:
yeah
HarlockHero says:
that's a good idea too
Rinku Hero says:
that could be shown after the unworld army destroys them
Rinku Hero says:
have antimony transmit it somehow
Rinku Hero says:
like, it would show just before the battle
Rinku Hero says:
then it would go dark
Rinku Hero says:
and say '3 weeks later'
Rinku Hero says:
and then show people watching tv and this would appear
Rinku Hero says:
and show some of the people in new canada who you helped seeing it
Rinku Hero says:
like that martial artist
HarlockHero says:
yeah, great idea
Rinku Hero says:
okay, that's about it for story
Rinku Hero says:
except we need to finish the 8 quests
HarlockHero says:
well, no we need to iron out the end
HarlockHero says:
what is tilde and the rest doing when mortevold fights off the first wave?
HarlockHero says:
are*
HarlockHero says:
it would cut back to the castle, and they would see more waves of soldiers approaching from other sides
HarlockHero says:
and tilde could lead groups of armed elves out against them
HarlockHero says:
while most elves use arrows from the castle
Rinku Hero says:
yeah
Rinku Hero says:
and catapults
HarlockHero says:
some impossible odds, though, like tilde + 10 vs. a huge number of soldiers
Rinku Hero says:
yeah
HarlockHero says:
antimony can talk about how this isn't total defeat
HarlockHero says:
and ask andre's assistance in building a transmitter
Rinku Hero says:
yeah
Rinku Hero says:
or
HarlockHero says:
out of the parts of santa?
Rinku Hero says:
give the tape to andre
Rinku Hero says:
and tell him to escape with it
Rinku Hero says:
wouldn't mention that it's a tape
Rinku Hero says:
just say 'take this'
HarlockHero says:
how does he make the tape?
Rinku Hero says:
via the workshop's camera's
Rinku Hero says:
which are always on
Rinku Hero says:
he could have been editing it during the few days before the army arrived
Rinku Hero says:
and give a speech at the end of it
Rinku Hero says:
like galt's speeche
Rinku Hero says:
although it would be from a dead person
HarlockHero says:
oh, so he'd say "i thought it might come to this, so i've been preparing something. escape with this"?
Rinku Hero says:
yeah
HarlockHero says:
but how would it contain scenes of the army's attack?
Rinku Hero says:
probably wouldn't
Rinku Hero says:
but would show the letter
Rinku Hero says:
and mention that 'even now, they are at the gates!'
Rinku Hero says:
also, since the mask makes one invisible
Rinku Hero says:
andre could take the mask and escape with it
Rinku Hero says:
or we could have it be tilde
HarlockHero says:
ah, right
Rinku Hero says:
but then it would need to be gameplayable
HarlockHero says:
better to have andre escape i think
HarlockHero says:
he can say something like "hopefully, this will be the last time such a device is needed" when he dons it to escape
Rinku Hero says:
yeah
HarlockHero says:
so this leaves all the characters with "uncertain-fates-that-are-more-than-likely-death"
HarlockHero says:
mortevold vs caduceus, tilde and a handful of elves vs huge numbers of soldiers, antimony as the sole general against them all
HarlockHero says:
but you don't actually witness any of them dying i guess
HarlockHero says:
so the epilogue says "three weeks later"
HarlockHero says:
then it can show a tv talking about some made-up story regarding the large number of people who disappeared suddenly during a train trip
HarlockHero says:
it can be propagandic and blame it on something other than what really happened (the swards of course)
Rinku Hero says:
yep
HarlockHero says:
then the broadcast will be interrupted with antimony's video
Rinku Hero says:
and it could say that xmas will be delayed this year
Rinku Hero says:
due to routine renovations
Rinku Hero says:
and at that point it would be interrupted
HarlockHero says:
all throughout antimony talking, it should show scenes of the people you helped getting ready to take action
HarlockHero says:
wordlessly, but directed in such a way as to know what's happening
HarlockHero says:
if you see what i mean
Rinku Hero says:
yep
Rinku Hero says:
should you help one person in each quest?
Rinku Hero says:
and that person gives you the unworld item?
Rinku Hero says:
that they no longer need?
HarlockHero says:
yeah
HarlockHero says:
near the end of the speech, it can perhaps show andre somewhere?
Rinku Hero says:
each of those characters could have a heroism meter
HarlockHero says:
what would be be his most logical course of action at that point?
Rinku Hero says:
and every action you take regarding them adds or subtracts from it
Rinku Hero says:
and when it reaches a certain level, they give you the item
Rinku Hero says:
you'd have to find the homes of each one
Rinku Hero says:
no need to show andre, i think
Rinku Hero says:
just show an image of the world
Rinku Hero says:
and some final narration like 'they have begin to take off their masks all over the world'
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