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Friday, July 18th, 2003
2:10 am
[rinku]
Iamthevoid242: have you ever noticed that the song "santa claus is coming to town" parallels the book "1984" almost exactly?
Rinku Hero: haha, i haven't, but in my game 'tilde' santa is a villain in a 1984-like world
Rinku Hero: so i should definately work the song in somehow
Rinku Hero: strange that i didn't think of that before
Iamthevoid242: while this seems random at first, it is highly distubring upon further analysis:
"he knows when youve been sleeping/ he knows when you're aware..."
Rinku Hero: hehe, yes
Iamthevoid242: its also funny that santa looks remarkably like karl marx
Rinku Hero: 'be good for goodness' sake' is the most important line in it
Rinku Hero: it's like kant 'do duty for duty's sake'
Wednesday, December 4th, 2002
12:35 pm
[rinku]
new ideas and the spider hole
Rinku Hero says:
k, the idea is that when he is wearing the mask
Rinku Hero says:
the other human and elf npcs could change their appearance
Rinku Hero says:
they would all look like they are wearing a
Rinku Hero says:
except for the healthy ones
Rinku Hero says:
like vold and such
Rinku Hero says:
who would appear normal
Rinku Hero says:
so it'd be a good way to tell who you could trust and who not
Rinku Hero says:
also i had another idea
Rinku Hero says:
that the mask is harder to take off when he is afriad
Rinku Hero says:
so there could be one scene where it won't come off at first
Rinku Hero says:
you'd have to re-do many of the npcs
Rinku Hero says:
to give them faces
HarlockHero says:
what all have you gotten done?
Rinku Hero says:
i added an invisible enemy
Rinku Hero says:
so that tilde says 1 of 5 random things at the beginning of each spider battle
Rinku Hero says:
and the spiders, once in awhile, go 'hss'
Rinku Hero says:
it adds more dialogue-feel to battles
HarlockHero says:
great
Rinku Hero says:
also you need to draw three enemies and 1 npc for the spider hole
Rinku Hero says:
the normal spider, the small one, and the boss
Rinku Hero says:
and the 'spider' npc walkabout
Rinku Hero says:
another idea for that level
Rinku Hero says:
is that there will be lanterns and light switches
Rinku Hero says:
and when you turn it on, that area destroys spiders when they touch it
Rinku Hero says:
so you can be safe in the light
Rinku Hero says:
but to progress you need to go to the dark
HarlockHero says:
going to be able to code all this in 21 days?
Rinku Hero says:
yeah
Rinku Hero says:
spider hole i'm going to finish by the 10th
Rinku Hero says:
provided you make the enemies and npcs
Rinku Hero says:
and when is the manga due again?
Rinku Hero says:
15th?
HarlockHero says:
nn
HarlockHero says:
the 16th
Rinku Hero says:
k
Rinku Hero says:
12 days
Rinku Hero says:
2 pages per day and it's done
Rinku Hero says:
when is the lotr movie
HarlockHero says:
dec 18th
Rinku Hero says:
k
Rinku Hero says:
oh, each unworld quest
Rinku Hero says:
there can be 1 person to 'save'
Rinku Hero says:
and how healthy they are
Rinku Hero says:
can be measured by their mask when tilde wears the mask
Rinku Hero says:
so there can be different actions that increase or decrease their health
Rinku Hero says:
and when they are free of the mask, then you get their item
Rinku Hero says:
so we'll need 8 more character designs
Rinku Hero says:
one for each of the unworld types
Rinku Hero says:
also, another idea i had
Rinku Hero says:
was that tilde and company can only travel together as a group in the sewers
Rinku Hero says:
when they go aboveground, they need to split up
Rinku Hero says:
becuase it'd be dangerous
Rinku Hero says:
to have so many healthy so close together
Rinku Hero says:
this will add to the importance of putting the mask on and off
Rinku Hero says:
since tilde will be alone for a lot of the game
Rinku Hero says:
also it's symbolic
Rinku Hero says:
that the heroes can only be together in the 'underground'
HarlockHero says:
yeah
Rinku Hero says:
also, i'm going to reduce the toy summons to 8
Rinku Hero says:
but each of those 8 will have 3 abilities
Rinku Hero says:
so when you get the ampersand toy
Rinku Hero says:
you get 3 ampersand toy-calling spells
Rinku Hero says:
i redrew tilde a bit also
Rinku Hero says:
will redraw the others once i see how they look in the manga
HarlockHero says:
i drew antimone as having a black mantle/cape thing, lime green hair that's in a braid, and dark underclothes
Rinku Hero says:
k, i'll wait till you scan
Rinku Hero says:
each of the unworld quests will have to be similar in that they should all involve 'infiltration' of something
Rinku Hero says:
the mall, the church, etc.
Rinku Hero says:
and each involves also 'learning how it works'
Rinku Hero says:
and also 'rescue of one person from it'
Rinku Hero says:
but each would do that in a different way
Rinku Hero says:
maybe the mask can make you look like other things
Rinku Hero says:
look like what the people expect
Rinku Hero says:
so that you can look like a kid when you go to the school
Rinku Hero says:
well, we won't draw a new tilde for each, but
Rinku Hero says:
imply that that is how they see him when he wears the mask
Rinku Hero says:
as 'one of the anthill'
Rinku Hero says:
'one of the ants from my anthill'
Rinku Hero says:
what else...
Rinku Hero says:
think that's it
Rinku Hero says:
most of those ideas i had yesterday
Rinku Hero says:
i'll post this conv in tildemask
HarlockHero says:
hrmm
HarlockHero says:
so do you need to send me the file?
HarlockHero says:
i like to draw in custom
Rinku Hero says:
you can draw in your tilde file
Rinku Hero says:
then screenshot
Rinku Hero says:
since the palette will be the same
HarlockHero says:
ok
Rinku Hero says:
the spider boss idea might be hard to draw
Rinku Hero says:
the idea was to have him on a web above a hole
Rinku Hero says:
might have to draw that as an npc also
Rinku Hero says:
and in battle, we might need a new battle bg
Rinku Hero says:
or you can draw the spiderweb he's on as part of him
Rinku Hero says:
and give him 'frames'
Rinku Hero says:
so that he would have different stages of falling in
Rinku Hero says:
as the web strands are cut
Rinku Hero says:
also it would be good to have more than cilde's skeleton in there
HarlockHero says:
alright, just specify what exactly you need to finish the spider hole
Rinku Hero says:
other skeletons of other elves
Rinku Hero says:
k
Rinku Hero says:
1. spider npc (moves around, faces 4 different directions)
Rinku Hero says:
2. normal spider battle graphic (new one to replace the one in it now)
Rinku Hero says:
3. baby spider battle graphic (same as above, but smaller)
Rinku Hero says:
4. boss spider battle graphic( s)
HarlockHero says:
get on aim also
Rinku Hero says:
why?
HarlockHero says:
going to send you a picture
Rinku Hero says:
k
Rinku Hero says:
5. boss spider npc graphic( s)
Rinku Hero says:
6. skeleton elf npcs (skeletons lying on the ground in fearful positions)
Sunday, November 24th, 2002
8:44 am
[rinku]
update
harlock has scanned the first page of the tilde manga. see my recent lj entry for its address.
Thursday, November 21st, 2002
10:14 am
[rinku]
conversation on 11/20/02
[06:13:40] Rinku> harlock, you need to re-do all the enemy gfx by dec 25
[06:13:47] Rinku> at least up to the forest part
[06:14:08] Harlock> that's not all i have to do
[06:14:15] Harlock> if it was, it'd be great
[06:14:31] Rinku> then make the tilde manga
[06:14:38] Rinku> did you make any more pages of it yet?
[06:18:40] Harlock> ugh, my throat
[06:18:42] Harlock> need more spray
[06:19:13] Rinku> we should re-do the hero gfx too
[06:19:18] Rinku> make andre w/ trenchcoat
[06:19:34] Rinku> the only design that is okay now is tilde's
[06:19:37] Harlock> i dislike the colors you chose
[06:19:39] Rinku> the other three need to be changed
[06:19:41] Rinku> for who?
[06:19:56] Harlock> andre, vold, and antimony
[06:20:07] Jsang> Vold... EMORT????
[06:20:12] Rinku> maybe we can get shiz to do the hero gfx
[06:20:22] Rinku> but he'd make them all super-deformed
[06:20:23] Harlock> he probably would
[06:20:28] Rinku> but that wouldn't be too bad
[06:20:33] Rinku> but it would contrast w/ the enemies
[06:20:38] Rinku> although the enemies haven't been made yet
[06:20:42] Harlock> he's been trying to do more non-sd stuff
[06:20:47] Rinku> k
[06:20:52] Harlock> so you could ask him to do it non-sd
[06:20:56] Harlock> i wonder if he's awake now
[06:20:57] Rinku> so, first redesign the characters
[06:21:01] Rinku> make a new drawing of each one
[06:21:03] Rinku> colored
[06:21:10] Rinku> which will act as their final character designs
[06:21:14] Rinku> for both game and manga
[06:21:15] Harlock> i already did
[06:21:18] Rinku> all 4?
[06:21:18] Harlock> for manga purposes
[06:21:22] Harlock> yeah
[06:21:27] Harlock> tilde looks basically the same
[06:21:28] Rinku> then upload
[06:21:36] Harlock> andre has shaggier hair, a beret, and a trenchcoat
[06:21:48] Rinku> do they have weapons?
[06:21:52] Rinku> tilde drawn with hammer?
[06:21:57] Harlock> vold has shorter hair than previous, no glasses, and sort of heretic-style clothes
[06:22:20] Harlock> antimony i drew with long braided hair, glasses, and a strange kind of suit
[06:22:25] Harlock> not like a business suit
[06:22:40] Rinku> need to redraw antimone now though
[06:22:48] Harlock> yeah
[06:22:49] Rinku> unless it'll be male for manga and female for game
[06:22:58] Harlock> female is good
[06:23:00] Rinku> k
[06:23:06] Rinku> should make it like odessa
[06:23:14] Rinku> wa-wise
[06:23:27] Harlock> will there be someone who feels affection for her, like flic?
[06:23:34] Harlock> vold is like 13 years older than she is
[06:23:39] Rinku> probably not
[06:23:50] Harlock> its not necessary
[06:23:54] Rinku> or maybe it could be a reverse flik
[06:24:01] Harlock> since antimony doesn't die
[06:24:03] Rinku> like, how odessa died
[06:24:06] Rinku> and flik lived
[06:24:13] Rinku> but we could have it so the person she felt affection for died
[06:24:41] Rinku> killed by caduceus probably
[06:24:46] Rinku> or strand
[06:25:09] Harlock> better if they were consumed
[06:25:11] Harlock> by the unworld
[06:25:23] Harlock> since antimony's enemy is the unworld-at-large
[06:25:23] Rinku> consumed how
[06:25:28] Rinku> like leo in we the living?
[06:25:29] Harlock> caduceus is vold's rival
[06:25:31] Harlock> like leo
[06:25:34] Harlock> yeah
[06:27:21] Harlock> this all could have happened in the time period between 2007 and 2015
[06:27:30] Harlock> the loss needs to be about 4 years old by 2019
[06:27:50] Rinku> k
[06:27:55] Rinku> you should make a timeline
[06:27:58] Rinku> where every event occured
[06:28:03] Rinku> like rowling has for harry potter
[06:28:12] Harlock> okay
[06:28:21] Harlock> but first
[06:28:25] Harlock> i need to know the master's greatest work
[06:28:38] Harlock> what caused vold and his friends to notice him and contact him
[06:28:49] Rinku> the sword of justice!
[06:29:04] Harlock> hmm
[06:29:10] Harlock> maybe they saw him fight somewhere?
[06:29:12] Harlock> at a tournament?
[06:29:37] Harlock> he wouldn't really be at a standard tournament though
[06:29:49] Rinku> could meet him like you met your master
[06:29:57] Rinku> found him and forced him to start an iaido class
[06:30:11] Rinku> you and your friend did that together
[06:30:16] Rinku> can be like vold and caduceus
[06:30:20] Harlock> yeah
[06:30:56] Harlock> so what year is santa created in?
[06:31:02] Rinku> 1400ad
[06:31:04] Rinku> or around then
[06:31:10] Rinku> but at first he's just local
[06:31:16] Rinku> later he expands the workshop
[06:31:20] Rinku> using robotics
[06:31:32] Rinku> and later, more advanced robotics for the elves
[06:31:39] Rinku> so that they are human almost
[06:31:46] Harlock> maybe a small group in the local area tried to have an insurrection, so that's why strand decided he had to hide the santa unit in the north pole
[06:31:58] Rinku> k
[06:32:32] Rinku> maybe
[06:32:38] Rinku> at first santa could be kind
[06:32:53] Rinku> enjoy giving and spreading toys and etc.
[06:32:58] Rinku> but gradually is corrupted by altruism
[06:33:02] Rinku> seeing himself as a servent of all
[06:34:39] Harlock> 1400 AD -- Mr. Strand, using an unknown technology, develops a largely-atonomous cyborg under the project heading "Sinterklaus", in an effort to both spread the mind-weaking philosophy of altruism, and create a viable means for reducing the numbers of the "naughty".
[06:35:06] Jsang> hahaha
[06:35:36] Rinku> yes
[06:36:02] Rinku> sinterklaus could at first be a crude thing of steam and wheels
[06:36:12] Harlock> heh, yeah
[06:38:19] Harlock> 1403 -- Sinterklaus has become locally popular for his giving of valuable gifts during the drab winter months. At this point, Strand enacts Phase Two of his project, enticing a local leader to pass a bill dictating that the citizens must follow Sinterklaus' example and give gifts themselves instead of merely being recipients.
[06:39:52] Harlock> 1408 AD -- Sinterklaus has been modified into a humanoid form, and has become an icon of charity to the local populace. It is around this time that the concept of a naughty and nice list begins.
[06:40:46] Harlock> 1412 AD -- Upset by the vast rise in child mortality in the past 4 years, several locals form a militia to destroy Sinterklaus. Strand intervenes, and helps his creation escape to the North Pole, safe from the hands of the people.
[06:40:59] Jsang> XD
[06:41:04] Jsang> shit, you guys are good.
[06:41:19] Jsang> go make Tilde now ;_;
[06:42:21] Rinku> maybe strand and sinterklaus could be like haggard and the red bull
[06:42:23] AbsentFortis> gggnnn
[06:42:31] Rinku> so that strand fears sinterklaus slightly
[06:42:54] Harlock> 1415 AD == Embittered by his experiences, but not having the clarity of mind to recognize the truth of the situation, Sinterklaus comes to trust in his creator Strand completely, and the first Workshop is begun and completed 3 months later. This is the first year to see a mass delivering of gifts to the entire Northern area of Germany.
[06:43:54] Harlock> hey, what year was the catholic church established?
[06:44:07] Jsang> uh
[06:44:09] Jsang> long ago
[06:44:16] Jsang> before all this
[06:44:19] Harlock> right
[06:44:35] Jsang> 1400s was reformation era if I recall
[06:44:49] Jsang> not sure'
[06:45:22] Harlock> 1421 AD -- In an effort to step up creation, Sinterklaus develops the ELF (Entity Limited to Fealty) program, and spreads his gift-giving practice throughout the entire continent of Europe.
[06:45:32] Rinku> it was started in 500ad or something
[06:45:35] Rinku> with constantine
[06:45:38] Harlock> 1424 AD -- Sinterklaus comes to be known in some sectors as St. Nicolas.
[06:46:49] Rinku> should copy and paste this timeline in users/tildemask when done
[06:47:40] Rinku> 1424-1900 santa claus continues giving gifts to german
[06:47:43] Rinku> germany
[06:47:48] Harlock> 1503 AD -- Sinterklaus' tradition has spread to all areas of the world with notable population density.
[06:47:53] Rinku> but
[06:47:59] Rinku> it has to coincide with the legend of santa
[06:48:06] Harlock> but?
[06:48:10] Rinku> america didn't start talking about santa till 1812 or something
[06:48:20] Harlock> i don't know the legend of santa as well as you
[06:48:23] Rinku> w/ that song by that guy who wrote sleepy hollow
[06:48:27] Harlock> you take over at this point
[06:48:32] Harlock> until the mid 1900s
[06:48:32] Harlock> then i'll pick up again
[06:48:34] Rinku> just go to tildemask
[06:48:38] Rinku> there is a history of santa there
[06:48:40] Rinku> it's short
[06:48:47] Rinku> search: history of santa
[06:48:52] Rinku> near middle
[06:49:44] Harlock> okay, i'll fill in that section in a bit
[06:51:01] Harlock> 1934 AD -- ______ _____ is born to unknown parents.
[06:52:00] Harlock> 1985 AD -- Caduceus and Vold born.
[06:52:12] Harlock> 1987 AD -- Kiri, sister of Vold, born.
[06:53:05] Rinku> 1999 strand gains control of europe, it is called 'the european union'
[06:53:20] Rinku> (or whatever year the eu started)
[06:53:54] Harlock> 1994 AD -- Elf Andre born in the north pole.
[06:54:40] Harlock> 1996 -- Caduceus and Vold discover the talents of _____ _____, who has come to reside in New Canada due to poverty. They convince him to start a sword school. Vold and Caduceus remain the only practicing students.
[06:55:37] Jsang> New Canada is great.
[06:55:44] Harlock> 1999 AD -- Strand's forces gain control of Europe, and it becomes known as the European Union.
[06:56:07] Rinku> what about amalgon
[06:56:09] Rinku> and the school
[06:56:11] Rinku> when was he born
[06:56:24] Harlock> 2000 AD -- Antimony is born to ______ _____ and ????? ?????.
[06:56:31] Rinku> antimone*
[06:57:28] Harlock> 2001 AD -- Revitalized by the birth of his daughter, ____ _____ is swayed by Caduceus, Vold, and Kiri to help begin an ideological movement to free the world from despair.
[06:57:55] Harlock> 2002 AD -- Kiri meets Shiz.
[06:57:56] Rinku> he's 66 when his daugher is born?
[06:58:03] Harlock> yeah
[06:58:05] Harlock> he's a martial artist
[06:58:06] Rinku> never had children till then?
[06:58:15] Harlock> he may have
[06:58:25] Rinku> maybe amalgon
[06:58:33] Rinku> or lord shiz
[06:59:19] Harlock> 2005 AD -- Elf Tilde born in the North Pole.
[07:00:00] Harlock> 2006 AD -- Eld Andre escapes from the North Pole, flees to New Canada and joins in with ____ ____'s group, taking up residence with Vold.
[07:00:22] Harlock> 2006 AD (also) -- Kiri marries Shiz and gives birth to twins, Neem and Meen.
[07:01:26] Harlock> 2007 AD -- With Andre's masterful craftsmanship, the group prepares to forge and unleash a powerful weapon that could potentially deal a devestating blow to Strand's forces (who they are as yet unaware of).
[07:01:33] Rinku> wait
[07:01:40] Rinku> andre has to escape before tilde is born, yes?
[07:01:46] Rinku> otherwise it wouldn't seem like 'just a legend'
[07:02:22] Harlock> i suppose
[07:02:35] Harlock> so alter that a bit
[07:02:50] Harlock> andre can escape in 03 or 04
[07:03:51] Harlock> 2007 AD (also) -- Foreseeing his potential failure, Strand corrupts the dissatisfied mind of Caduceus and grants him great skill in swords and sors in exchange for his allegiance.
[07:04:24] Harlock> 2007 AD -- Caduceus exacts the murder of _____ _____ and Kiri. Vold manages to stave off his own death, but cannot bring himself to bring mortal wounds to his lifelong friend.
[07:06:22] Harlock> 2007 AD -- Vold and Andre agree that the time is too dangerous to retaliate and retreat into a New Canadian dwelling, where Vold keeps an eye on Meen and Neem, and Andre continues the manufacturing of Toys of Truth, which Vold distributes.
[07:07:07] Harlock> 2010 AD -- Dissatisfied with Vold's weariness, Antimone leaves the home of her pseudo-uncle to live on her own.
[07:07:40] Harlock> 2011 AD -- Shiz, fearing for the lives of Neem and Meen, agrees to join Strand's forces in exchange for amnesty.
[07:07:57] Harlock> He is assigned to the North Pole.
[07:09:07] Harlock> 2012 -- Despite 3 published works, and valiant effort on the part of Antimone, the world falls fully into control of the Unworld Forces with the standardizing of Japan.
[07:10:34] Harlock> Antimone continues quest to dispel the darkness, keeping in periodic touch with Vold and Andre, always entreating their help in the cause, but never being discouraged when they refuse to be open dissenters at the present time.
[07:11:23] Harlock> Antimone's work is greatly aided when ____ ____, a freedom fighter joins her cause and brings his small group of 106 soldiers with him.
[07:11:48] Harlock> Realizing the danger, Antimone and ___ _____'s army retreats into the sewers of New Canada, waiting for the opportune moment to strike.
[07:12:11] Rinku> you're crazy: [07:07:07] Harlock> 2010 AD -- Dissatisfied with Vold's weariness, Antimone leaves the home of her pseudo-uncle to live on her own.
[07:12:16] Rinku> she'd only be 10 then
[07:12:35] Harlock> she's 10 years old
[07:12:44] Rinku> yes
[07:12:48] Harlock> only 10?
[07:12:53] Rinku> yes
[07:13:01] Rinku> you can't survive in the new canada sewers at 10
[07:13:04] Harlock> you're the one who said yesterday that antimone was born in 2000
[07:13:06] Rinku> w/ all the spiders
[07:13:17] Harlock> 10 is old enough to live on your own
[07:13:21] Rinku> k
[07:13:26] Rinku> we'll just make her really smart
[07:13:32] Harlock> she doesn't go there til 13
[07:13:33] Rinku> like ender
[07:14:01] Harlock> she writes 3 books in the years between 2010 and 2012
[07:15:46] Harlock> 2015 -- With the harsh conditions of New Canada's sewers killing off over half their members, ____ _____ has fallen into a severe depression, and disappears in the winter of that year after long showing signs of falling into the unworld's ideologies.
[07:17:47] Harlock> June 2019 -- Elf Tilde begins construction of toy under Eleven's shift in the Workshop at the north pole. it is seized by Eleven, who smashes and carries Tilde away to an audience with Santa. Confused by Santa's newly installed hypnotic wave projection system, Tilde states that making toys for oneself is too risky.
[07:19:14] Harlock> October 2019 -- Elf Cilde is thrown to the spiders for not having proper knowledge of all the other elves' preferences and favorites. Tilde discovers the Mask of :P, a Toy of Truth left behind by the exiled Elf Andre, and uses it to spy on a meeting between Santa and Mr. Strand, thereby learning the true nature of Christmas.
[07:19:32] Jsang> call it the meaning of christmas
[07:19:47] Jsang> JESUSISTHEREASONFORTHESEASON
[07:20:40] Harlock> December 2019 -- Unable to convince the other elves of the dire situation they are in, Tilde dons the mask of :P and boards Santa's sleigh intending to destroy the naughty-class presents (poison, bio-weapons, bombs, trapped toys, etc.) before they are delivered.
[07:21:02] Jsang> Now, seriously
[07:21:12] Jsang> even if the rest of it sucks
[07:21:19] Jsang> this is the greatest Xmas themed game of all time ever.
[07:21:27] Harlock> During the process of doing so, the mask is dislodged, and Tilde is attacked and defeated by Santa's SANTA SHINE!! technique, falling off the sleigh and landing in New Canada.
[07:21:27] Jsang> This is seriously brilliant scripting.
[07:21:34] Jsang> True real game creation.
[07:23:14] Harlock> Christmas Day 2019 - Neem and Meen, disenheartened by their gifts of a malevolent cactus and a cannibalistic doll, are pleased to find an elf in their fireplace and proceed to blame all the world's injustices on him. He fixes their toys in exchange for freedom, and they tell him of their uncle Vold, who once knew an elf.
[07:23:26] Rinku> the doll doesn't eat her fingeres
[07:23:30] Rinku> just bites
[07:23:36] Rinku> and can't be a cannibal
[07:23:44] Rinku> since it's a doll biting a human, not a human eating a human
[07:24:32] Jsang> flesh-eating doll
[07:24:51] Jsang> seriously
[07:25:01] Jsang> you guys are literally my heroes
[07:25:19] Harlock> New Years Day, 2020 -- Tilde finds the home of Vold (and Andre in the manga version).
[07:26:08] Rinku> i think we should redraw the doll so that it doesn't look like sailor moon
[07:26:18] Rinku> could be too copyrighty
[07:26:53] Jsang> big-mask-devil-doll!
[07:27:04] Harlock> January - May 2020 -- Tilde and Vold enter the forest of the shared root to enlist the help of Andre (game version only.) The three travel about New Canada, seeking to learn of the nature of the unworld, and free several souls in the process. They eventually enlist the help of Antimone and retreat to the sewers to train with her group.
[07:27:14] Harlock> May - December 2020 -- Training with Antimone's group.
[07:27:32] Rinku> training?
[07:27:38] Rinku> how would that be done
[07:27:44] Rinku> or would we just skip over it?
[07:27:57] Harlock> December 2020 - Andre, Tilde, Vold, and Antimone board the train to the North Pole, but are stopped en route by Caduceus who proceeds to cite eerie sounding poetry and "kill the unorthodox"
[07:28:16] Rinku> you forgot the school!
[07:28:25] Rinku> about the flutoscope and killing amalgon
[07:28:30] Rinku> and freeing the zombie children
[07:28:36] Rinku> who are scooped up by robots
[07:28:43] Rinku> and put on bus-trains like in ww2 nazi
[07:28:47] Harlock> yeah
[07:28:57] Harlock> that should happen in March 2020
[07:29:59] Harlock> March 2020 -- on a mission from antimone, the group infiltrates the local school, and when the help of Neem and Meen discover that the organization is being run by an ally of Strand knwon as Amalgon.
[07:30:40] Rinku> meen is captured in a cage, remember?
[07:30:41] Harlock> Using the Flutoscope that Tilde constructed for Neem and Meen upon his release from their toy-box prison, Amalgon is bested and the children of the dismal school are set free.
[07:30:47] Rinku> so the idea is to help neem save meen
[07:30:53] Rinku> and the flutoscope
[07:31:30] Harlock> Hope does not last long, as the majority of them are quickly captured by robot drones and shuttled away to other institutions to help them "cope" with what just happened to them.
[07:31:43] Harlock> yeah, i remember
[07:31:53] Harlock> just trying to be brief
[07:32:02] Harlock> back to december 2020
[07:33:23] Harlock> Due to quick thinking, Caduceus is temporarily thwarted (albeit after he sets loose beings that consume an entire trainworth of humans). The group proceeds northward on foot, fighting off Ninjelves and Lord Shiz en route to the workshop.
[07:33:43] Rinku> and penguins
[07:33:50] Rinku> and the rudolf reindeer merge
[07:34:00] Jsang> gahaha
[07:34:14] Harlock> At the workshop, Santa's reindeer merge into a meta-organism.
[07:34:56] Harlock> Overcoming those obstacles, the group enters the workshop, and is stopped by Eleven, who wants both Tilde and Andre to pay for their crimes.
[07:35:25] Harlock> Andre knowingly leads Eleven into the basement of the Workshop, revealing the MetaElves and the process through which Elves are manufactured
[07:35:32] Rinku> idea: they should find one of the toys cilde made
[07:35:42] Rinku> and that could be a strong summon spell
[07:35:59] Harlock> Eleven faces a change of heart, but it is too late for him and he dies while defending the group from the meta-elves.
[07:36:12] Harlock> yeah
[07:36:54] Rinku> the meta-elves should be introduced earlier
[07:36:56] Rinku> somehow
[07:36:58] Harlock> the group reaches santa's chamber, where he again casts SANTA SHINE!!, which is no longer as effective, thanks to Tilde's experiences and the Mask of :P
[07:37:02] Rinku> otherwise they seem deus ex machina
[07:38:03] Harlock> However, he still has his 360mm rocket launcher, his head-mounted vulcan phalanx cannon, his electric needles, lasers, and flamethrowers with which to combat the heroes.
[07:38:38] Harlock> santa is defeated, partially thanks to an uprising of elves brought on by tilde's rallying.
[07:38:39] Rinku> also, you forgot the part about the elves
[07:38:52] Rinku> where the elves tilde convinced while in the workshop rush in and save the group from santa
[07:38:55] Harlock> which part about the elves?
[07:39:05] Rinku> and depending on how many he convinced, it might be impossible to win
[07:39:08] Rinku> how few*
[07:39:14] Harlock> Harlock> santa is defeated, partially thanks to an uprising of elves brought on by tilde's rallying.
[07:39:18] Rinku> k
[07:39:20] Rinku> didn't see
[07:41:26] Harlock> santa acknowledges intentionally letting andre go free, and admits to possessing a will of his own that he has been denying for 600 years. at this point, strand's override program runs and santa is destroyed before he can turn on his master.
[07:42:23] Harlock> the heroes seize the workshop as a revolution base, and enlist the elves as part of a new army. the elves distribute that year's christmas amongst themselves and antimone notes that with 2 christmasses in a row being incomplete, someone is bound to notice.
[07:43:21] Harlock> antimone summons most of her group to join them in the workshop.
[07:43:34] Harlock> a sward appears later bearing a note, and then disappears
[07:44:14] Harlock> the note reveals that the revolution members have been apprehended en route, and that construction of the next sinterklaus unit, to use a collective mind, is already underway. it also contains other news which causes vold to become upset.
[07:44:48] Harlock> caduceus begins an assault on the workshop with thousands of newly bred :P soldiers, modeled after andre's mask
[07:45:14] Harlock> vold goes to meet him, and the outcome of their duel is as yet uncertain.
[07:45:28] Harlock> tilde leads a troop of elves into the snowfield to meet the :P soldiers and a great battle begins.
[07:45:47] Harlock> antimone orders andre to record these scenes as well as a speech by her and to take the tape back to the mainland
[07:47:00] Rinku> also
[07:47:04] Rinku> we need a speech by strand
[07:47:09] Harlock> january 2021 -- a news broadcast in new canada is interrupted by the playing of andre's tape, causing all of the souls saved during the unworld quests section of the game to rise up and prepare for the upcomoing battle.
[07:47:09] Harlock> ~fin
[07:47:19] Rinku> either we make the letter longer or have some other part where strand elaborates his plans
[07:47:59] Harlock> hmm
Friday, November 15th, 2002
10:30 am
[rinku]
xmas carols y songs of repute, part 2 of 2
*

Santa Baby

Sung by Madonna

Santa baby, slip a sable under the tree, for me
I've been an awful good girl
Santa baby, and hurry down the chimney tonight
Santa baby, an out-of-space convertible too, light blue
I'll wait up for you dear
Santa baby, and hurry down the chimney tonight
Think of all the fun I've missed
Think of all the fellas that I haven't kissed
Next year I could be oh so good
If you'd check off my Christmas list
Boo doo bee doo
Santa honey, I wanna yacht and really that's
Not a lot
I've been an angel all year
Santa baby, and hurry down the chimney tonight
Santa cutie, there's one thing I really do need, the deed
To a platinum mine
Santa cutie, and hurry down the chimney tonight
Santa baby, I'm filling my stocking with a duplex, and checks
Sign your 'X' on the line
Santa baby, and hurry down the chimney tonight
Come and trim my Christmas tree
With some decorations bought at Tiffany's
I really do believe in you
Let's see if you believe in me
Boo doo bee doo
Santa baby, forgot to mention one little thing, a ring
I don't mean a phone
Santa baby, and hurry down the chimney tonight
Hurry down the chimney tonight
Hurry down the chimney tonight

*

Santa Claus Is Coming To Town
(Song has Long Intro but worth the wait)


J. Fred Coots, Henry Gillespie (c) 1934

You better watch out
You better not cry
Better not pout
I'm telling you why
Santa Claus is coming to town

He's making a list,
And checking it twice;
Gonna find out Who's naughty and nice.
Santa Claus is coming to town

He sees you when you're sleeping
He knows when you're awake
He knows if you've been bad or good
So be good for goodness sake!

O! You better watch out!
You better not cry.
Better not pout, I'm telling you why.
Santa Claus is coming to town.
Santa Claus is coming to town.

*

Silent Night


Silent night! Holy night!
All is calm, all is bright,
Round yon Virgin Mother and Child.
Holy Infant, so tender and mild.
Sleep in heavenly peace,
Sleep in heavenly peace.

Silent night! Holy night!
Shepherds quake at the sight;
Glories stream from heaven afar,
Heav'nly host sing, Alleluia,
Christ, the Savior is born!
Christ the Savior is born!

Silent night! Holy night!
Son of God, love's pure light,
Radieant beams from Thy holy face,
With the dawn of redeeming grace,
Jesus, Lord, at Thy birth,
Jesus, Lord at Thy birth.

*

Silver Bells


Christmas makes you feel emotional
It may bring parties or thoughts devotional
Whatever happens or what may be,
Here is what Christmas time means to me.

City sidewalk, busy sidewalks
dressed in holiday style.
In the air there's
a feeling of Christmas.

Children laughing, people passing,
meeting smile after smile,
And on every street corner you'll hear:

Silver bells, silver bells,
It's Christmas time in the city.
Ring-a-ling, hear them ring,
soon it will be Christmas day.

City street lights,
even stop lights,
blink a bright red and green,
As the shoppers rush home
with their treasures.

Hear the snow crunch,
see the kids bunch,
This is Santa's big scene,
And above all this bustle you'll hear:

Silver bells, silver bells,
It's Christmas time in the city.
Ring-a-ling, hear them ring,
soon it will be Christmas day.

*

Sleigh Ride

JMitchell Parish, Leroy Anderson 1948

Just hear those sleigh bells jingling,
ring ting tingling too
Come on, it's lovely weather
for a sleigh ride together with you,
Outside the snow is falling
and friends are calling "Yoo hoo,"
Come on, it's lovely weather
for a sleigh ride together with you.

Giddy yap, giddy yap, giddy yap,
let's go, Let's look at the show,
We're riding in a wonderland of snow.
Giddy yap, giddy yap, giddy yap,
it's grand, Just holding your hand,
We're gliding along with a song
of a wintry fairy land.

Our cheeks are nice and rosy
and comfy cozy are we
We're snuggled up together
like two birds of a feather would be
Let's take that road before us
and sing a chorus or two
Come on, it's lovely weather
for a sleigh ride together with you.

There's a birthday party
at the home of Farmer Gray
It'll be the perfect ending a perfect day
We'll be singing the songs
we love to sing without a single stop,
At the fireplace while we watch
the chestnuts pop. Pop! pop! pop!

There's a happy feeling
nothing in the world can buy,
When they pass around the chocolate
and the pumpkin pie
It'll nearly be like a picture print
by Currier and Ives
These wonderful things are the things
we remember all through our lives!

Just hear those sleigh bells jingling,
ring ting tingling too
Come on, it's lovely weather
for a sleigh ride together with you,
Outside the snow is falling
and friends are calling "Yoo hoo,"
Come on, it's lovely weather
for a sleigh ride together with you.

Giddy yap, giddy yap, giddy yap,
let's go, Let's look at the show,
We're riding in a wonderland of snow.
Giddy yap, giddy yap, giddy yap,
it's grand, Just holding your hand,
We're gliding along with a song
of a wintry fairy land

Our cheeks are nice and rosy
and comfy cozy are we
We're snuggled up together
like two birds of a feather would be
Let's take that road before us
and sing a chorus or two
Come on, it's lovely weather
for a sleigh ride together with you.

*

The Christmas Song


Chestnuts roasting on an open fire
Jack Frost nipping at your nose
Yule-tide carols being sung by a choir
And folks dressed up like Eskimos.

Everybody knows a turkey
and some mistletoe
Help to make the season bright
Tiny tots with their eyes all aglow
Will find it hard to sleep tonight.

They know that Santa's on his way
He's loaded lots of toys
and goodies on his sleigh
And every mother's child is gonna spy
To see if reindeer
really know how to fly.

And so I'm offering this simple phrase
To kids from one to ninety-two
Although it's been said
many times, many ways
Merry Christmas to you.

*

The First Noel

The first Noel, the angel did say,
Was to certain poor shepherds in fields as they lay;
In fields where they lay keeping their sheep,
On a cold winter's night that was so deep.
Noel, Noel, Noel, Noel,
Born is the King of Israel.


They looked up and saw a star
Shining in the the East, beyond them far;
And to the earth it gave great light,
And so it continued both day and night.
Noel, Noel, Noel, Noel,
Born is the King of Israel.


And by the light of that same star,
Three wise men came from country far;
To seek for a King was their intent,
And to follow the star wherever it went.
Noel, Noel, Noel, Noel,
Born is the King of Israel.


This star drew night to the northwest,
O'er Bethlehem it took its rest;
And there it did both stop and stay,
Right over the place where Jesus lay.
Noel, Noel, Noel, Noel,
Born is the King of Israel.


Then entered in those wise men three,
Full reverently upon their knee;
And offered there in his presence,
Their gold, and myrrh, and frankincense.
Noel, Noel, Noel, Noel,
Born is the King of Israel.

*

Twas The Night Before Christmas


Twas the night before Christmas
and all thru the house,
not a creature was stirring,
not even a mouse.
All the stockings were hung
by the chimney with care
In the hope that St. Nicholas
soon would be there.

Then what to my
wondering eyes should appear,
A miniature sleigh
and eight tiny reindeer.
A little old driver
so lively and quick,
I knew in a moment
it must be St. Nick.

And more rapid than eagles
his reindeer all came
As he shouted, "On Dasher"
and each reindeer's name.
And so up to the housetop
the reindeer soon flew,
with the sleigh full of toys
and St. Nicholas too.

Down the chimney he came
with a leap and a bound
He was dressed all in fur
and his belly was round
He spoke not a word
but went straight to his work
And filled all the stockings
then turned with a jerk.

And laying his finger
aside of his nose,
then giving a nod
up the chimney he rose
But I heard him exclaim
as he drove out of sight
"Merry Christmas to all
and to all a Good Night".

*

The Wassail Song

Here we come a-wassailing
Among the leaves so green,
Here we come a wand'ring,
So fair to be seen.

(Chorus)
Love and joy come to you,
And to your wassail too,
And God bless you and send you a happy new year,
And God send you a happy new year.


We are not daily beggars
Who beg from door to door,
But we are neighbor's children
Whom you have seen before.

Chorus

We have a little purse
Made of ratching leather skin;
We want some of your small change
To line it well within.

Chorus

God bless the Master of this house,
Likewise the Mistress too;
And all the little children
That round the table go.

Chorus

*

Twelve Days Of Christmas


On the first day of Christmas
my true love sent to me:
A partridge in a pear tree.

On the second day of Christmas
my true love sent to me:
Two turtle doves
And a Partridge in a pear tree.

On the third day of Christmas
my true love sent to me:
Three French Hens,
Two turtle doves
And a Partridge in a pear tree.

On the fourth day of Christmas
my true love sent to me:
Four calling birds,
Three French Hens,
Two turtle doves
And a Partridge in a pear tree.

On the fifth day of Christmas
my true love sent to me:
Five golden rings,
Four calling birds,
Three French Hens,
Two turtle doves
And a Partridge in a pear tree.

On the sixth day of Christmas
my true love sent to me:
Six geese a laying,
Five golden rings,
Four calling birds,
Three French Hens,
Two turtle doves
And a Partridge in a pear tree.

On the seventh day of Christmas
my true love sent to me:
Seven swans a swimming,
Six geese a laying,
Five golden rings,
Four calling birds,
Three French Hens,
Two turtle doves
And a Partridge in a pear tree.

On the eighth day of Christmas
my true love sent to me:
Eight maids a milking,
Seven swans a swimming,
Six geese a laying,
Five golden rings,
Four calling birds,
Three French Hens,
Two turtle doves
And a Partridge in a pear tree.

On the ninth day of Christmas
my true love sent to me:
Nine ladies dancing,
Eight maids a milking,
Seven swans a swimming,
Six geese a laying,
Five golden rings,
Four calling birds,
Three French Hens,
Two turtle doves
And a Partridge in a pear tree.

On the tenth day of Christmas
my true love sent to me:
Ten lords a leaping,
Nine ladies dancing,
Eight maids a milking,
Seven swans a swimming,
Six geese a laying,
Five golden rings,
Four calling birds,
Three French Hens,
Two turtle doves
And a Partridge in a pear tree.

On the eleventh day of Christmas
my true love sent to me:
Eleven pipers piping,
Ten lords a leaping,
Nine ladies dancing,
Eight maids a milking,
Seven swans a swimming,
Six geese a laying,
Five golden rings,
Four calling birds,
Three French Hens,
Two turtle doves
And a Partridge in a pear tree.

On the twelfth day of Christmas
my true love sent to me:
Twelve drummers drumming,
Eleven pipers piping,
Ten lords a leaping,
Nine ladies dancing,
Eight maids a milking,
Seven swans a swimming,
Six geese a laying,
Five golden rings,
Four calling birds,
Three French Hens,
Two turtle doves
And a Partridge in a pear tree.

*

Up On The House Top


Up on the housetop
reindeer pause,
Out jumps good old Santa Claus.
Down thru' the chimney
with lots of toys,
All for the little ones,
Christmas joys.
Ho, ho, ho!
Who wouldn't go!
Ho, ho, ho!
Who wouldn't go!
Up on the housetop,
click, click, click,
Down thru' the chimney
with good Saint Nick.

First comes the stocking
of little Nell,
Oh, dear Santa
fill it well;
Give her a dolly
that laughs and cries
One that will open
and shut her eyes.
Ho, ho, ho!
Who wouldn't go!
Ho, ho, ho!
Who wouldn't go!
Up on the housetop,
click, click, click,
Down thru' the chimney
with good Saint Nick.

Next comes the stocking
of little Will,
Oh just see
what a glorious fill
Here is a hammer
and lots of tacks,
Also a ball
and a whip that cracks.
Ho, ho, ho!
Who wouldn't go!
Ho, ho, ho!
Who wouldn't go!
Up on the housetop,
click, click, click,
Down thru' the chimney
with good Saint Nick.

*

We Three Kings Of Orient Are


We three kings of Orient are,
Bearing gifts we traverse afar,
Field and fountain, morr and mountain,
Following yonder Star.

(Chorus)
O, star of wonder, star of might,
Star with royal beauty bright,
Westward leading, still proceeding,
Guide us to the perfect light.


Born a babe on Bethlehem's plain;
Gold we bring to crown Him again;
King forever, ceasing never,
Over us all to reign.

Chorus

Frankincense to offer have I;
Incense owns a Deity nigh;
Prayer and praising, all men raising,
Worship Him, God on High.

Chorus

Myrrh is mine; its bitter perfume
Breathes a life of gathering gloom;
Sorrowing, sighing, bleeding, dying,
Seal'd in the stone-cold tomb.

Chorus

Glorious now behold Him arise,
King and God and sacrifice,
Heaven sings, "Hallelujah!"
Hallejujah!" Earth replies.

Chorus

*

We Wish You A Mery Christmas


We wish you a merry Christmas
We wish you a merry Christmas
We wish you a merry Christmas
And a happy New Year.
Glad tidings we bring
To you and your kin;
Glad tidings for Christmas
And a happy New Year!

We want some figgy pudding
We want some figgy pudding
We want some figgy pudding
Please bring it right here!
Glad tidings we bring
To you and your kin;
Glad tidings for Christmas
And a happy New Year!

We won't go until we get some
We won't go until we get some
We won't go until we get some
So bring it out here!
Glad tidings we bring
To you and your kin;
Glad tidings for Christmas
And a happy New Year!

We wish you a Merry Christmas
We wish you a Merry Christmas
We wish you a Merry Christmas
And a happy New Year.
Glad tidings we bring
To you and your kin;
Glad tidings for Christmas
And a happy New Year!

*

What Child Is This


What child is this, who, laid to rest
On Mary's lap, is sleeping?
Whom angels greet with anthems sweet,
While shepherds watch are keeping?
This, this is Christ the King,
Whom shepherds guard and angels sing:
Haste, haste to bring him laud,
The Babe, the Son of Mary!


So bring Him incense, gold, and myrrh,
Come peasant king to own Him,
The King of kings, salvation brings,
Let loving hearts enthrone Him.
Raise, raise the song on high,
The Virgin sings her lullaby:
Joy, joy, for Christ is born,
The Babe, the Son of Mary!

*

White Christmas


Irving Berlin 1942

I'm dreaming of a white Christmas
Just like the ones I used to know
Where the treetops glisten
and children listen
To hear sleigh bells in the snow.

I'm dreaming of a white Christmas
With every Christmas card I write
May your days be merry and bright
And may all your Christmases be white.

I'm dreaming of a white Christmas
With every Christmas card I write
May your days be merry and bright
And may all your Christmases be white.

*

Winter Wonderland
(Has long intro but worth the wait!)

Dick Smith, Felix Bernard 1934

Sleigh bells ring, are you listening,
in the lane, snow is glistening
A beautiful sight,
we're happy tonight,
walking in a winter wonderland.

Gone away is the bluebird,
here to stay is a new bird
He sings a love song,
as we go along,
walking in a winter wonderland.

In the meadow we can build a snowman,
Then pretend that he is Parson Brown
He'll say: Are you married?
we'll say: No man,
But you can do the job
when you're in town.

Later on, we'll conspire,
as we dream by the fire
To face unafraid,
the plans that we've made,
walking in a winter wonderland.

Sleigh bells ring, are you listening,
in the lane, snow is glistening
A beautiful sight,
we're happy tonight,
walking in a winter wonderland.

Gone away is the bluebird,
here to stay is a new bird
He sings a love song,
as we go along,
walking in a winter wonderland.


In the meadow we can build a snowman,
and pretend that he's a circus clown
We'll have lots of fun with mister snowman,
until the alligators knock him down.

When it snows, ain't it thrilling,
Though your nose gets a chilling
We'll frolic and play, the Eskimo way,
walking in a winter wonderland.

Walking in a winter wonderland,
walking in a winter wonderland.
10:26 am
[rinku]
we can with certainty use some of these --- xmas carols y songs of repute part 1 of 2
All I Want For Christmas
Is My Two Front Teeth

James Pierpont. publ.1857

Every body stops
and stares at me
These two teeth are
gone as you can see
I don't know just who
to blame for this catastrophe!
But my one wish on Christmas Eve
is as plain as it can be!

All I want for Christmas
is my two front teeth,
my two front teeth,
see my two front teeth!

Gee, if I could only
have my two front teeth,
then I could with you
"Merry Christmas."
It seems so long since I could say,
"Sister Susie sitting on a thistle!"

Gosh oh gee, how happy I'd be,
if I could only whistle (thhhh)

All I want for Christmas
is my two front teeth,
my two front teeth,
see my two front teeth.
Gee, if I could only
have my two front teeth,
then I could wish you
"Merry Christmas!"

*

Angels From The Realms Of Glory

Angels from the realms of glory,
Wing your flight o'er all the earth
Ye who sang creations story,
Now proclaim messiah's birth

Come and worship, come and worship,
Worship Christ the new-born king
Shepherds in the field abiding,
Watching oe'r your flocks by night
God with man is now residing,
Yonder shines the infant light.
Sages leave your contemplations,
Brighter visions beam afar.
Seek the great desire of nations,
Ye have seen his natal star.
Saints before the altar bending,
Watching long in hope and fear
Suddenly the Lord descending
In his temple shall appear.

*

Away In The Manger





Away in a manger, no crib for a bed,
The little Lord Jesus laid down his sweet head.
The stars in the sky looked down where he lay,
The little Lord Jesus asleep in the hay.


The cattle are lowing, the baby awakes,
But little Lord Jesus no crying he makes.
I love Thee, Lord Jesus, look down from the sky
And stay by my cradle til morning is nigh.

Be near me, Lord Jesus, I ask Thee to stay
Close by me forever, and love me, I pray.
Bless all the dear children in thy tender care,
And take us to heaven, to live with Thee there.

*

Frosty The Snow Man



Frosty the snowman was a jolly happy soul,
With a corncob pipe and a button nose
and two eyes made out of coal.
Frosty the snowman is a fairy tale, they say,
He was made of snow but the children
know how he came to life one day.
There must have been some magic in that
old silk hat they found.
For when they placed it on his head
he began to dance around.
O, Frosty the snowman
was alive as he could be,
And the children say he could laugh
and play just the same as you and me.
Thumpetty thump thump,
thumpety thump thump,
Look at Frosty go.
Thumpetty thump thump,
thumpety thump thump,
Over the hills of snow.

Frosty the snowman knew
the sun was hot that day,
So he said, "Let's run and
we'll have some fun
now before I melt away."
Down to the village,
with a broomstick in his hand,
Running here and there all
around the square saying,
Catch me if you can.
He led them down the streets of town
right to the traffic cop.
And he only paused a moment when
he heard him holler "Stop!"
For Frosty the snow man
had to hurry on his way,
But he waved goodbye saying,
"Don't you cry,
I'll be back again some day."
Thumpetty thump thump,
thumpety thump thump,
Look at Frosty go.
Thumpetty thump thump,
thumpety thump thump,
Over the hills of snow.

*

Go Tell It On The Mountain


Go tell it on the mountain,
Over the hills and everywhere,
Go tell it on the mountain,
Our Jesus Christ is born.


When I was a seeker
I sought both night and day,
I asked the Lord to help me,
And he showed me the way.
Go tell it on the mountain,
Over the hills and everywhere,
Go tell it on the mountain,
Our Jesus Christ is born.
He made me a watchman
Upon a city wall,
And if I am a Christian,
I am the least of all.
Go tell it on the mountain,
Over the hills and everywhere,
Go tell it on the mountain,
Our Jesus Christ is born.

*

God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen


God rest you merry, gentlemen,
Let nothing you dismay,
Remember Christ our Savior
Was born on Christmas day,
To save us all from Satan's pow'r
When we were gone astray;
O tidings of comfort and joy,
Comfort and joy,
O tidings of comfort and joy.


From God our heavenly Father
A blessed angel came.
And unto certain shepherds
Brought tidings of the same,
How that in Bethlehem was born
The Son of God by name:

O tidings of comfort and joy,
Comfort and joy
O tidings of comfort and joy.


"Fear not," then said the angel,
"Let nothing you affright,
This day is born a Savior,
Of virtue, power, and might;
So frequently to vanquish all
The friends of Satan quite";

O tidings of comfort and joy,
Comfort and joy,
O tidings of comfort and joy.


The shepherds at those tidings
Rejoiced much in mind,
And left their flocks a-feeding,
In tempest, storm, and wind,
And went to Bethlehem straightway
This blessed babe to find:

O tidings of comfort and joy,
Comfort and joy,
O tidings of comfort and joy.


But when to Bethlehem they came,
Whereat this infant lay
They found him in a manger,
Where oxen feed on hay;
His mother Mary kneeling,
Unto the Lord did pray:

O tidings of comfort and joy,
Comfort and joy,
O tidings of comfort and joy.


Now to the Lord sing praises,
All you within this place,
And with true love and brotherhood
Each other now embrace;
This holy tide of Christmas
All others doth deface:

O tidings of comfort and joy,
Comfort and joy,
O tidings of comfort and joy.

*

Good King Wenceslas

Good King Wenceslas looked out,
On the Feast of Stephen,
When the snow lay round about,
Deep and crisp and even;
Brightly shone the moon that night,
Tho' the frost was cruel,
When a poor man came in sight,
Gath'ring winter fuel.


"Hither, page, and stand by me,
If thou know'st it, telling,
Yonder peasant, who is he?
Where and what his dwelling?"
"Sire, he lives a good league hence,
Underneath the mountain;
Right against the forest fence,
By Saint Agnes' fountain."


"Bring me flesh, and bring me wine,
Bring me pine logs hither:
Thou and I will see him dine,
When we bear them thither."
Page and monarch, forth they went,
Forth they went together;
Thro' the rude wind's wild lament
And the bitter weather.


"Sire, the night is darker now,
And the wind blows stronger;
Fails my heart, I know not how,
I can go no longer."
Mark my footsteps, good my page;
Tread thou in them boldly:
Thou shalt find the winter's rage
Freeze thy blood less coldly."


In his master's steps he trod
Where the snow lay dinted;
Heat was in the very sod
Which the saint had printed.
Therefore, Christian men, be sure,
Wealth or rank possessing,
Ye who now will bless the poor,
Shall yourselves find blessing.

*

Grandma Got Run Over By A Reindeer



Grandma got run over by a reindeer.
Walking home from our house Christmas eve.
You can say there's no such thing as Santa,
but as for me and grandpa we believe.
She'd been drinking too much eggnog,
and we begged her not to go.
But she forgot her medication, and she
staggered out the door into the snow.
When we found her Christmas morning,
at the scene of the attack,
she had hoof-prints on her forehead,
and incriminating Claus marks on her back.

Grandma got run over by a reindeer.
Walking home from our house Christmas eve.
You can say there's no such thing as Santa,
but as for me and grandpa we believe.

Now we're all so proud of grandpa,
He's been taking this so well.
See him in there watching football,
drinking root beer and
playing cards with Cousin Mel.
It's not Christmas without Grandma,
All the family's dressed in black
and we just can't help but wonder:
Should we open up her gifts,
or send them back?
Send them back!!

Grandma got run over by a reindeer.
Walking home from our house Christmas eve.
You can say there's no such thing as Santa,
but as for me and grandpa we believe.

Now the goose is on the table
and the pudding made of fig
and the blue and silver candles
that would just have matched
the hair on grandma's wig.
I've warned all my
friends and neighbors
better watch out for yourselves,
they should never give a license
to a man who drives a sleigh
and plays with elves.

Grandma got run over by a reindeer.
Walking home from our house Christmas eve.
You can say there's no such thing as Santa,
but as for me and grandpa we believe.

*

Hark! The Herald Angels Sing



Hark! the herald angels sing, -
"Glory to the newborn King!
Peace on earth, and mercy mild,
God and sinners reconciled."
Joyful, all ye nations, rise,
Join the triumph of the skies;
With th' angelic host proclaim,
"Christ is born in Bethlehem."
Hark! the herald angels sing,
"Glory to the newborn King!


Christ, by highest heav'n adored:
Christ, the everlasting Lord;
Late in time behold him come,
Offspring of the favored one.
Veil'd in flesh, the Godhead see;
Hail, th'incarnate Deity:
Pleased, as man, with men to dwell,
Jesus, our Emmanuel!
Hark! the herald angels sing,
"Glory to the newborn King!


Hail! the heav'n-born Prince of peace!
Hail! the Son of Righteousness!
Light and life to all he brings,
Risen with healing in his wings
Mild he lays his glory by,
Born that man no more may die:
Born to raise the sone of earth,
Born to give them second birth.
Hark! the herald angels sing,
"Glory to the newborn King!

*

Have Your Self A Merry Little Christmas
(Song Has a long intro)

from the film Meet Me In St. Louis
Hugh Martin, Ralph Blane 1943

Have yourself a merry little Christmas,
Let your heart be light
From now on,
our troubles will be out of sight
Have yourself a merry little Christmas,
Make the Yule-tide gay,
From now on,
our troubles will be miles away.

Here were are as in olden days,
happy golden days of yore.
Faithful friends who are dear to us
gather near to us once more.

Through the years we all will be together
If the Fates allow
Hang a shining star upon the highest bough.
And have yourself a merry little Christmas now.

*

Here Comes Santa Claus

Gene Autry, Oakley Haldeman (c) 1947



Here comes Santa Claus!
Here comes Santa Claus!
Right down Santa Claus Lane!
Vixen and Blitzen and all his reindeer
are pulling on the reins.
Bells are ringing, children singing;
All is merry and bright.
Hang your stockings and say your prayers,
'Cause Santa Claus comes tonight.

Here comes Santa Claus!
Here comes Santa Claus!
Right down Santa Claus Lane!
He's got a bag that is filled with toys
for the boys and girls again.
Hear those sleigh bells jingle jangle,
What a beautiful sight.
Jump in bed, cover up your head,
'Cause Santa Claus comes tonight

*

I Saw Mommy Kissing Santa Claus

JT. Connor (c) 1952

I saw Mommy kissing Santa Claus
Underneath the mistletoe last night.
She didn't see me creep
down the stairs to have a peep;
She thought that I was tucked
up in my bedroom fast asleep.
Then, I saw Mommy tickle Santa Claus
Underneath his beard so snowy white;
Oh, what a laugh it would have been
If Daddy had only seen
Mommy kissing Santa Claus last night.

*

I'll Be Home For Christmas

Kim Gannon, Walter Kent (c) 1943

I'll be home for Christmas
You can count on me
Please have snow and mistletoe
and presents on the tree

Christmas Eve will find me
Where the love light gleams
I'll be home for Christmas
If only in my dreams

*

It Came Upon The Midnight Clear

James Pierpont. publ.1857

It came upon the midnight clear,
That glorious song of old,
From angels bending near the earth
To touch their harps of gold!
"Peace on the earth, good will to men,
From heaven's all gracious King!
The world in solemn stillness lay
To hear the angels sing.


Still through the cloven skies they come
With peaceful wings unfurled
And still their heavenly music floats
O'er all the weary world;
Above its sad and lowly plains
They bend on hovering wing.
And ever o'er its Babel sounds
The blessed angels sing.


Yet with te woes of sin and strife
The world hath suffered long;
Beneath the angel-strain have rolled
Two thousand years of wrong;
And man, at war with man, hears not
The love song which they bring:
O hush the noise, ye men of strife,
And hear the angels sing.


For lo! the days are hastening on,
By prophet bards foretold,
When, with the ever-circling years,
Shall come the Age of Gold;
When peace shall over all the earth
Its ancient splendors fling,
And all the world give back the song
Which now the angels sing.

*

It's Beginning To Look A Lot Like Christmas

James Pierpont. publ.1857

It's beginning to look a lot like Christmas
Ev'rywhere you go;
Take a look in the five-and-ten, glistening once again
With candy canes and silver lanes aglow.
It's beginning to look a lot like Christmas,
Toys in ev'ry store,
But the prettiest sight to see is the holly that will be
On your own front door.

A pair of hopalong boots and a pistol that shoots
Is the wish of Barney and Ben;
Dolls that will talk and will go for a walk
Is the hope of Janice and Jen;
And Mom and Dad can hardly wait for school to start again.
It's beginning to look a lot like Christmas
Ev'rywhere you go;
There's a tree in the Grand Hotel, one in the park as well,
The sturdy kind that doesn't mind the snow.
It's beginning to look a lot like Christmas;
Soon the bells will start,
And the thing that will make them ring is the carol that you sing
Right within your heart.

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It's The Most Wonderful
Time Of The Year

Eddie Pola, George Wyle 1963

It's the most wonderful time of the year.
With the kids jingle belling,
and everyone telling you,
"Be of good cheer,"
It's the most wonderful time of the year.

There'll be parties for hosting,
marshmallows for toasting and
caroling out in the snow.
there'll be scary ghost stories and
tales of the glories of Christmases
long, long ago.

It's the most wonderful time of the year.
There'll be much mistletoeing
and hearts will be glowing,
when loved ones are near.
It's the most wonderful time of the year.

*

Jingle Bells

James Pierpont. publ.1857

Dashing through the snow
On a one-horse open sleigh,
Over the fields we go,
Laughing all the way;
Bells on bob-tail ring,
making spirits bright,
What fun it is to ride and sing
A sleighing song tonight, O

Jingle bells, jingle bells,
jingle all the way!
O what fun it is to ride
In a one-horse open sleigh (repeat)

A day or two ago,
I thought I'd take a ride,
And soon Miss Fanny Bright
Was seated by my side;
The horse was lean and lank;
Misfortune seemed his lot;
He got into a drifted bank,
And we, we got upsot.O

Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells,
Jingle all the way!
o What fun it is to ride
In a one-horse open sleigh. (repeat)

A day or two ago,
the story I must tell
I went out on the snow
And on my back I fell;
A gent was riding by
In a one-horse open sleigh,
He laughed as there
I sprawling lie,
But quickly drove away, O

Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells,
Jingle all the way!
o What fun it is to ride
In a one-horse open sleigh. (repeat)

Now the ground is white
Go it while you're young,
Take the girls tonight
And sing this sleighing song;
Just get a bob-tailed bay
two-forty as his speed
Hitch him to an open sleigh
And crack! you'll take the lead, O

Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells,
Jingle all the way!
o What fun it is to ride
In a one-horse open sleigh.

*

Jingle Bell Rock

Bobby Helms

Jingle bell, jingle bell, jingle bell rock
Jingle bells swing and jingle bells ring
Snowing and blowing up bushels of fun
Now the jingle hop has begun

Jingle bell, jingle bell, jingle bell rock
Jingle bells chime in jingle bell time
Dancing and prancing in Jingle Bell Square
In the frosty air.

What a bright time, it's the right time
To rock the night away
Jingle bell time is a swell time
To go gliding in a one-horse sleigh
Giddy-up jingle horse, pick up your feet
Jingle around the clock
Mix and a-mingle in the jingling feet
That's the jingle bell,
That's the jingle bell,
That's the jingle bell rock.

*

Jolly Old Saint Nicolas


Jolly old Saint Nicholas,
lean your ear this way!
Don't you tell a single soul
what I'm going to say:
Christmas Eve is coming soon;
now, you dear old man
Whisper what you'll bring to me;
tell me if you can.

When the clock is striking twelve,
when I'm fast asleep
Down the chimney, broad and black,
with your pack you'll creep
All the stockings you will find
hanging in a row
Mine will be the shortest one,
you'll be sure to know

Bobby wants a pair of skates,
Suzy wants a sled
Nellie wants a picture book,
yellow, blue, and red
Now I think I'll leave to you
what to give the rest
Choose for me, dear Santa Claus;
you will know the best.

*

Joy To The World

Joy to the world! The Lord is come:
Let earth receive her King.
Let ev'ry heart prepare Him room,
And heaven and nature sing,
And heaven and nature sing,
And heaven and heaven and nature sing.


He rules the world with truth and grace,
And makes the nations prove
The glories of His righteousness
And wonders of His love,
And wonders of His love,
And wonders, wonders of His love.

*

Little Drummer Boy

James Pierpont. publ.1857

Come they told me
pa rum pum pum pum
A new born King to see,
pa rum pum pum pum
Our finest gifts we bring
pa rum pum pum pum
To lay before the King
pa rum pum pum pum
rum pum pum pum
rum pum pum pum
So to honor Him
pa rum pum pum pum,
when we come.

Little Baby
pa rum pum pum pum
I am a poor boy too,
pa rum pum pum pum
I have no gift to bring
pa rum pum pum pum
That's fit to give our King
pa rum pum pum pum
rum pum pum pum
rum pum pum pum
Shall I play for you!
pa rum pum pum
on my drum.

Mary nodded
pa rum pum pum pum
The ox and lamb kept time
pa rum pum pum pum
I played my drum for Him
pa rum pum pum
I played my best for Him
pa rum pum pum pum
rum pum pum pum
rum pum pum pum
Then He smiled at me
pa rum pum pum pum
me and my drum.

*

Let It Snow

Sammy Cahn, Jule Styne (c) 1945

Oh, the weather outside is frightful,
But the fire is so delightful,
And since we've no place to go,
Let it snow, let it snow, let it snow.

It doesn't show signs of stopping,
And I brought some corn for popping;
The lights are turned way down low,
Let it snow, let it snow, let it snow.

When we finally say good night,
How I'll hate going out in the storm;
But if you really hold me tight,
All the way home I'll be warm.

The fire is slowly dying,
And, my dear, we're still good-bye-ing,
But as long as you love me so.
Let it snow, let it snow, let it snow.

*

Must Be Santa


Who's got a beard that's long and white
Santa's got a beard that's long and white

Who comes around on a special night
Santa comes around on a special night

Special Night, beard that's white

Must be Santa
Must be Santa
Must be Santa, Santa Clause

Who wears boots and a suit of red
Santa wears boots and a suit of red

Who wears a long cap on his head
Santa wears a long cap on his head

Cap on head, suit that's red
Special night, beard that's white

Must be Santa
Must be Santa
Must be Santa, Santa Clause

Who's got a big red cherry nose
Santa's got a big red cherry nose

Who laughs this way HO HO HO
Santa laughs this way HO HO HO

HO HO HO, cherry nose
Cap on head, suit that's red
Special night, beard that's white

Must be Santa
Must be Santa
Must be Santa, Santa Clause

Who very soon will come our way
Santa very soon will come our way

Eight little reindeer pull his sleigh
Santa's little reindeer pull his sleigh

Reindeer sleigh, come our way
HO HO HO, cherry nose
Cap on head, suit that's red
Special night, beard that's white

Must be Santa
Must be Santa
Must be Santa, Santa Clause

Dasher, Dancer, Prancer, Vixen,
Comet, Cupid, Donner and Blitzen

Reindeer sleigh, come our way
HO HO HO, cherry nose
Cap on head, suit that's red
Special night, beard that's white

Must be Santa
Must be Santa
Must be Santa, Santa Clause

*

Nuttin' For Christmas

S. Tepper, R. Bennett (c) 1955

I broke my bat on Johnny's head;
Somebody snitched on me.
I hid a frog in sister's bed;
Somebody snitched on me.
I spilled some ink on Mommy's rug;
I made Tommy eat a bug;
Bought some gum with a penny slug;
Somebody snitched on me.

Oh, I'm gettin' nuttin' for Christmas
Mommy and Daddy are mad.
I'm getting nuttin' for Christmas
'Cause I ain't been nuttin' but bad.

I put a tack on teacher's chair
somebody snitched on me.
I tied a knot in Susie's hair
somebody snitched on me.
I did a dance on Mommy's plants
climbed a tree and tore my pants
Filled the sugar bowl with ants
somebody snitched on me.

So, I'm gettin' nuttin' for Christmas
Mommy and Daddy are mad.
I'm gettin' nuttin' for Christmas
'Cause I ain't been nuttin' but bad.

I won't be seeing Santa Claus;
Somebody snitched on me.
He won't come visit me because
Somebody snitched on me.
Next year I'll be going straight;
Next year I'll be good, just wait
I'd start now, but it's too late;
Somebody snitched on me.

So you better be good whatever you do
'Cause if you're bad, I'm warning you,
You'll get nuttin' for Christmas.

*

O Christmas Tree O Christmas Tree,
O Christmas Tree,
How steadfast are
your branches!
Your boughs are green
in summer's clime
And through the snows
of wintertime.
O Christmas Tree,
O Christmas Tree,
How steadfast are
your branches!

O Christmas Tree,
O Christmas Tree,
What happiness befalls me
When oft at
joyous Christmas-time
Your form inspires
my song and rhyme.
O Christmas Tree,
O Christmas Tree,
What happiness befalls me

O Christmas Tree,
O Christmas Tree,
Your boughs can
teach a lesson
That constant faith
and hope sublime
Lend strength and
comfort through all time.
O Christmas Tree,
O Christmas Tree,
Your boughs can
teach a lesson

*

O Come, ALL Ye Faithful.

O come, all ye faithful,
Joyful and triumphant,
O come ye, O come ye to Bethlehem.
Come and behold Him,
Born the King of Angels!

O come, let us adore Him,
O come, let us adore Him,
O come, let us adore Him,
Christ the Lord.



Sing, alleluia,
All ye choirs of angels;
O sing, all ye blissful ones of heav'n above.
Glory to God -
In the highest glory!


O come, let us adore Him,
O come, let us adore Him,
O come, let us adore Him,
Christ the Lord.


Yea, Lord, we greet Thee,
Born this happy morning;
Jesus, to Thee be the glory giv'n;
Word of the Father,
Now in the flesh appearing,



O come, let us adore Him,
O come, let us adore Him,
O come, let us adore Him,
Christ the Lord.

*

Oh Holy Night!

Words by Chappeau de Roquemaure
Translated by John S. Dwight

Oh holy night!
The stars are brightly shining
It is the night of the dear Savior's birth!
Long lay the world in sin and error pining
Till he appear'd and the soul felt its worth.
A thrill of hope the weary world rejoices
For yonder breaks a new and glorious morn!

Fall on your knees
Oh hear the angel voices
Oh night divine
Oh night when Christ was born
Oh night divine
Oh night divine

Led by the light of Faith serenely beaming
With glowing hearts by His cradle we stand
So led by light of a star sweetly gleaming
Here come the wise men from Orient land
The King of Kings lay thus in lowly manger
In all our trials born to be our friend.
Truly He taught us to love one another
His law is love and His gospel is peace
Chains shall He break for the slave is our brother
And in His name all oppression shall cease
Sweet hymns of joy in grateful chorus raise we,
Let all within us praise His holy name.

*

O Little Town Of Bethlehem

O little town of Bethlehem.
How still we see thee lie;
Above thy deep and dreamless sleep
The silent stars go by;
Yet in thy dark streets shineth
The everlasting light.
The hopes and fears of all the years
Are met in thee tonight.


For Christ is born of Mary,
And gathered all above,
While mortals sleep the angels keep
Their watch of wond'ring love.
O morning stars, together
Proclaim the holy birth!
And praises sing to God the King,
And peace to men on earth!

*

Rudolph The Red-Nosed Reindeer

Johnny Marks (c) 1949

You know Dasher and Dancer
And Prancer and Vixen,
Comet and Cupid
And Donner and Blitzen.
But do you recall
The most famous reindeer of all?

Rudolph the red-nosed reindeer
(reindeer)
Had a very shiny nose
(like a light bulb)
And if you ever saw it
(saw it)
You would even say it glows
(like a flash light)
All of the other reindeer
(reindeer)
Used to laugh and call him names
(like Pinochio)
They never let poor Rudolph
(Rudolph)
Play in any reindeer games
(like Monopoly)

Then one foggy Christmas Eve
Santa came to say
(Ho Ho Ho)
Rudolph with your nose so bright
Won't you guide my sleigh tonight?
Then all the reindeer loved him
(loved him)
And they shouted out with glee
(yippee)
"Rudolph the red-nosed reindeer
(reindeer)
You'll go down in history!"
(like Columbus)

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Rockin' Around The Christmas Tree

Brenda Lee

Rocking around the Christmas tree
at the Christmas party hop
Mistletoe hung where you can see
every couple tries to stop
Rocking around the Christmas tree,
let the Christmas spirit ring
Later we'll have some pumpkin pie
and we'll do some caroling.

You will get a sentimental
feeling when you hear
Voices singing let's be jolly,
deck the halls with boughs of holly
Rocking around the Christmas tree,
have a happy holiday
Everyone dancing merrily
in the new old-fashioned way.
10:12 am
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interesting!
from: http://www.the-north-pole.com/birth_of_jesus.htm

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A special letter from Santa:



Often I have been asked if I believe in God. I have also read many letters from children asking why is there a Santa Claus when Christmas is supposed to be the anniversary or the birthday celebration of Jesus Christ. In today�s world, many people forget the truth about Christmas or have never really understood it. We all know it�s a time to get presents and have a feast, normally a turkey dinner with all our family and friends. There are also many people that don�t celebrate Christmas at all for one belief or another. In spite of all the questions we have, the origin of Santa or what we might believe in ourselves, we know that Christmas is a happy time and just about every one wishes for �peace on earth�.



I remember when I was small and asked my mom and dad who is Santa Claus. I was brought up being taught that Christmas was the birthday of Jesus Christ our Saviour. I think most of us know that December 25th, 2000 some years ago was not actually the date Jesus was born but is a date many choose to commemorate Christ�s birth. Many religions have different dates for this celebration. In fact, because we were Dutch, our celebrations were on December 5th and our Santa was called St. Nicholas or St. Nick for short. When I asked that all important question� �Is Santa real?� this is what my parents said to me.



�There was a Christian name St. Nicholas, that is where the Saint part comes from, and he was so happy that God gave to him a gift above all gifts, Jesus who died for our sins that it became a mission for him to tell every one how much God loves us and to help were he could by bringing food and toys for the children�. So I thought this was really good because there is a Santa! Then there was the sad part about this story my parents added: �In the times of St. Nicholas, there were many people that hated Jesus and made a point of it by arresting these Christians and put them in jail. Eventually St. Nicholas was arrested and was put in jail to stop him from talking about Jesus. This did not stop St. Nicholas and he continued to talk about Jesus even in Jail. Eventually these men that hated Jesus had St. Nicholas killed�. Now my heart was broken! �Oh my� I said, �that is terrible that St. Nick is dead!� My parents reassured me that because God loves us so much, we never really die and neither did St. Nick�.



�Because of how much St. Nicholas loved Jesus, and because of the gifts he gave to the poor, we still remember St. Nicholas at Christmas time. All of the gifts he gave, and all of the Christmas presents we give at Christmas, we believe are to remind us of the very best gift anyone ever gave to us. This is the gift from God our Father, his only Son, to us so we may have eternal life with God and never die�.



This was wonderful news to me that we would never die and that St. Nick was still around. Maybe not as he was but more less in a meaning and a way of celebrating Christmas. The story of St. Nick still lives within us and in many different ways. We see this wonderful tradition of God�s love in the Santa Claus we see today. My parents told me that Santa is very real. He lives in each and every one of us. His magic comes from within our hearts. We know this to be true us as we see the happy and gleaming faces on Christmas day.



Christmas is not a day of celebrating your beliefs but rather a day to commemorate the ultimate gift from God, Jesus� birth. It doesn�t matter what you believe in as far as a Santa Claus goes, but I encourage all people and children to celebrate with Santa at Christmas.



I do believe in the meaning of Christmas. A reminder of the gifts we receive every day from God. Santa is very real to me and I believe that no matter where he is in our lives, the North Pole or right in front of the mirror, Santa�s work of giving gifts to you to help remind you of the best gift of all, Jesus, is why Santa Claus is real.





I know that God is crazy about us and his love spans all of our lives from the North Pole right to your heart at home. I have enjoyed every Christmas and now as Santa at The-North-Pole.com, it brings me much happiness that I can continue sharing the gifts as St. Nicholas did 1700 years ago.



Here is a photo of Santa kneeling at the manger praying to Jesus. This photo helps me to be Santa for all the people that visit here. I do pray to Jesus and thank Him for dying on the cross for my sins so I will never have pay for my sins in death. This is why this Santa Claus will never die.



Thank you for reading my story and God bless all of you.



Love,
Santa Claus
10:10 am
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~~~ 'Twas the Night Before Christmas ~~~ circa 1823
'Twas the Night Before Christmas
(or A Visit from St. Nicholas) by Clement Clarke Moore (1823)

'Twas the night before Christmas, when all through the house
not a creature was stirring, not even a mouse.
The stockings were hung by the chimney with care,
in hopes that St. Nicholas soon would be there.



The children were nestled all snug in their beds,
while visions of sugar plums danced in their heads.
And Mama in her 'kerchief, and I in my cap,
had just settled our brains for a long winter's nap.



When out on the roof there arose such a clatter,
I sprang from my bed to see what was the matter.
Away to the window I flew like a flash,
tore open the shutter, and threw up the sash.



The moon on the breast of the new-fallen snow
gave the lustre of midday to objects below,
when, what to my wondering eyes should appear,
but a miniature sleigh and eight tiny reindeer.



With a little old driver, so lively and quick,
I knew in a moment it must be St. Nick.
More rapid than eagles, his courses they came,
and he whistled and shouted and called them by name:

"Now Dasher! Now Dancer!
Now, Prancer and Vixen!
On, Comet! On, Cupid!
On, Donner and Blitzen!
To the top of the porch!
To the top of the wall!
Now dash away! Dash away!
Dash away all!"




As dry leaves that before the wild hurricane fly,
when they meet with an obstacle, mount to the sky
so up to the house-top the courses they flew,
with the sleigh full of toys, and St. Nicholas too.



And then, in a twinkling, I heard on the roof
the prancing and pawing of each little hoof.
As I drew in my head and was turning around,
down the chimney St. Nicholas came with a bound.




He was dressed all in fur, from his head to his foot,
and his clothes were all tarnished with ashes and soot.
A bundle of toys he had flung on his back,
and he looked like a peddler just opening his pack.



His eyes--how they twinkled! His dimples, how merry!
His cheeks were like roses, his nose like a cherry!
His droll little mouth was drawn up like a bow,
and the beard on his chin was as white as the snow.
The stump of a pipe he held tight in his teeth,
and the smoke it encircled his head like a wreath.
He had a broad face and a little round belly,
that shook when he laughed, like a bowl full of jelly.



He was chubby and plump, a right jolly old elf,
and I laughed when I saw him, in spite of myself.
A wink of his eye and a twist of his head
soon gave me to know I had nothing to dread.



He spoke not a word, but went straight to his work,
and filled all the stockings, then turned with a jerk.
And laying his finger aside of his nose,
and giving a nod, up the chimney he rose.



He sprang to his sleigh, to his team gave a whistle,
And away they all flew like the down of a thistle.
But I heard him exclaim, 'ere he drove out of sight,


"Happy Christmas to all, and to all a good night!"
10:09 am
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the history of santa claus
from http://www.the-north-pole.com/history/index.htm

*

The American version of the Santa Claus figure received its inspiration and its name from the Dutch legend of Sinter Klaas, brought by settlers to New York in the 17th century.

As early as 1773 the name appeared in the American press as "St. A Claus," but it was the popular author Washington Irving who gave Americans their first detailed information about the Dutch version of Saint Nicholas. In his History of New York, published in 1809 under the pseudonym Diedrich Knickerbocker, Irving described the arrival of the saint on horseback (unaccompanied by Black Peter) each Eve of Saint Nicholas.

This Dutch-American Saint Nick achieved his fully Americanized form in 1823 in the poem A Visit From Saint Nicholas more commonly known as The Night Before Christmas by writer Clement Clarke Moore. Moore included such details as the names of the reindeer; Santa Claus's laughs, winks, and nods; and the method by which Saint Nicholas, referred to as an elf, returns up the chimney. (Moore's phrase "lays his finger aside of his nose" was drawn directly from Irving's 1809 description.)

The American image of Santa Claus was further elaborated by illustrator Thomas Nast, who depicted a rotund Santa for Christmas issues of Harper's magazine from the 1860s to the 1880s. Nast added such details as Santa's workshop at the North Pole and Santa's list of the good and bad children of the world. A human-sized version of Santa Claus, rather than the elf of Moore's poem, was depicted in a series of illustrations for Coca-Cola advertisements introduced in 1931. In modern versions of the Santa Claus legend, only his toy-shop workers are elves. Rudolph, the ninth reindeer, with a red and shiny nose, was invented in 1939 by an advertising writer for the Montgomery Ward Company.

In looking for the historical roots of Santa Claus, one must go very deep in the past. One discovers that Santa Claus as we know him is a combination of many different legends and mythical creatures.

The basis for the Christian-era Santa Claus is Bishop Nicholas of Smyrna (Izmir), in what is now Turkey. Nicholas lived in the 4th century A.D. He was very rich, generous, and loving toward children. Often he gave joy to poor children by throwing gifts in through their windows.

The Orthodox Church later raised St. Nicholas, miracle worker, to a position of great esteem. It was in his honor that Russia's oldest church, for example, was built. For its part, the Roman Catholic Church honored Nicholas as one who helped children and the poor. St. Nicholas became the patron saint of children and seafarers. His name day is December 6th.

In the Protestant areas of central and northern Germany, St. Nicholas later became known as der Weinachtsmann. In England he came to be called Father Christmas. St. Nicholas made his way to the United States with Dutch immigrants, and began to be referred to as Santa Claus.

In North American poetry and illustrations, Santa Claus, in his white beard, red jacket and pompom-topped cap, would sally forth on the night before Christmas in his sleigh, pulled by eight reindeer, and climb down chimneys to leave his gifts in stockings children set out on the fireplace's mantelpiece.

Children naturally wanted to know where Santa Claus actually came from. Where did he live when he wasn't delivering presents? Those questions gave rise to the legend that Santa Claus lived at the North Pole, where his Christmas-gift workshop was also located.

In 1925, since grazing reindeer would not be possible at the North Pole, newspapers revealed that Santa Claus in fact lived in Finnish Lapland. "Uncle Markus", Markus Rautio, who compared the popular "Children's hour" on Finnish public radio, revealed the great secret for the first time in 1927: Santa Claus lives on Lapland's Korvatunturi - "Ear Fell"

The fell, which is situated directly on Finland's eastern frontier, somewhat resembles a hare's ears - which are in fact Santa Claus's ears, with which he listens to hear if the world's children are being nice. Santa has the assistance of a busy group of elves, who have quite their own history in Scandinanvian legend.

Over the centuries, customs from different parts of the Northern Hemisphere thus came together and created the whole world's Santa Claus - the ageless, timeless, deathless white-bearded man who gives out gifts on Christmas and always returns to Korvatunturi in Finnish Lapland.

Since the 1950s, Santa has happily sojourned at Napapiiri, near Rovaniemi, at times other than Christmas, to meet children and the young at heart. By 1985 his visits to Napapiiri had become so regular that he established his own Santa Claus Office there. He comes there every day of the year to hear what children want for Christmas and to talk with children who have arrived from around the world. Santa Claus Village is also the location of Santa's main Post Office, which receives children's letters from the four corners of the world.
10:07 am
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Did you know its only 39 days, 13 hours and 53 minutes left until Christmas!
Did you know its only 39 days, 13 hours and 53 minutes left until Christmas!

(meaning, let's hurry up harlock)
3:54 am
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santa shine!!
[03:42:18] RinkuHero> SANTA: "who is doing that!!"
[03:42:25] RinkuHero> because he sees his bags flying off the sleigh
[03:42:33] RinkuHero> TILDE: "these toys will harm no girls and boys!"
[03:42:35] RinkuHero> or something
[03:43:25] NewtypeHarlock> SANTA: "by what right do the strong exist? by nature, they overshadow the weak! is that fair?!"
[03:43:26] NewtypeHarlock> or something
[03:43:36] RinkuHero> yeah
[03:44:00] NewtypeHarlock> and tilde can say that while it may be true, santa has no right to kill anyone
[03:44:04] NewtypeHarlock> and santa says... ?
[03:44:05] RinkuHero> SANTA: "killing 4 naughty kids will save 400 nice kids in the long run"
[03:44:21] NewtypeHarlock> that's a good reply
[03:45:01] NewtypeHarlock> then tilde says....
[03:45:41] RinkuHero> TILDE: "um..."
[03:45:48] NewtypeHarlock> good
[03:45:55] NewtypeHarlock> then santa will interrupt before he can reply
[03:45:56] RinkuHero> then santa says
[03:46:09] RinkuHero> SANTA: "do you want to send the world back to the old days??"
[03:46:19] RinkuHero> SANTA: "where everyone fought for their piece of the world pie?"
[03:46:28] NewtypeHarlock> TILDE: "no.. i... but maybe--"
[03:47:18] NewtypeHarlock> SANTA: "SANTA SHINE!!"
Thursday, November 14th, 2002
6:36 am
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tilde & cilde
*tilde leaves santa's room*
tilde: cilde?
cilde: i saw what happened, with your toy. you shouldn't make them out in the open like that.
tilde: oh?
cilde: you have to make sure no one looks when you do something for yourself. they're getting better at detecting these toys now, so...
tilde: doesn't matter. i'm not making any more toys for myself from now on. it's too dangerous.
cilde: yes, but...
tilde: but i don't want to end up like the exiled elf.
cilde: that elf is only a legend. and if you don't make any toys for yourself at all... wouldn't that be just as bad?
*tilde leaves*'

i wrote this just today, w/ char's help. to be used outside santa's room, right after the altruist banner scene
Wednesday, November 13th, 2002
8:56 am
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conversation between me and harlock about tilde on 8/24/02, part 1 of 2
Session Start: Sat Aug 24 05:03:23 2002
05:03 *** Now talking in #tilde
05:03 *** Harlock> has joined #tilde
05:03 Rinku> Rinku> 1.
05:03 Rinku> Rinku> making toy for self
05:03 Rinku> Rinku> and that being punished
05:03 Rinku> Rinku> smashed by eleven
05:03 Rinku> Rinku> that i think was the beginning of the story
05:03 Rinku> Rinku> the seed of the game's idea
05:03 Rinku> Harlock> well, the first sentence spake was
05:03 Rinku> Harlock> "in my game santa is going to be a monster, like in real life"
05:03 Rinku> Harlock> then from there, we decided on elves, but as far as plot goes, yes
05:03 Rinku> Harlock> that scene is the start
05:03 Rinku> (saving)
05:04 Rinku> okay, so, what abstract does that reconcretize?
05:04 Rinku> working for yourself is bad for the unworld
05:04 Rinku> making toys for yourself*
05:04 Rinku> and that the proper elf is he who makes toys only for others
05:04 Rinku> but doesn't play with toys
05:04 Harlock> also sort of that its natural for him to work for himself, and it has to be "beaten out of him" so to speak
05:04 Rinku> yeah
05:05 Rinku> what happens next in the story
05:05 Rinku> the test?
05:05 Harlock> eleven takes tilde to santa's chamber
05:05 Rinku> or the him forgetting about the toy?
05:05 Harlock> and santa unfurls the banner
05:05 Rinku> oh
05:05 Rinku> yeah
05:05 Rinku> so, santa's chamber
05:05 Rinku> santa is a robot (though this is not known)
05:05 Rinku> but here you don't see that, you just see santa talking about the banner
05:06 Rinku> we should rewrite part of it so that santa says 'no punishment for now'
05:06 Rinku> 'since it's your first mistake, and many elves make it'
05:06 Harlock> yeah
05:06 Rinku> so the next part after that is him waking up
05:06 Rinku> and not remembering the toy
05:06 Harlock> hmm
05:06 Rinku> or vaguely remembering it
05:06 Harlock> right, then the test
05:06 Rinku> yeah
05:07 Rinku> we should redraw cilde
05:07 Rinku> she looks too much like a normal elf
05:07 Rinku> she should have a different walkabout
05:07 Harlock> noted
05:07 Rinku> anyway, that scene is about her not remembering the favorites of others
05:07 Rinku> but writing down her own favorites
05:08 Rinku> and getting thrown into the spider hole for it
05:08 Rinku> so it's similar
05:08 Harlock> so how do we make a distinction between the crimes
05:08 Rinku> toy = working for yourself
05:08 Rinku> favorites = thinking of what you like
05:08 Harlock> why one warrants berating, and why one warrants the spider hole
05:08 Rinku> that
05:08 Rinku> because the toy was only physical betrayal
05:08 Rinku> the favorites thing was mental betrayal
05:09 Rinku> the santa painting
05:09 Harlock> probably should include a "you've been warned before!" or something
05:09 Rinku> you should draw it
05:09 Rinku> and have it talk
05:09 Rinku> say 'these are her favorites. she was not supposed to know these. etc.'
05:09 Rinku> and then have its face change
05:09 Rinku> saying 'TO THE SPIDERS!!'
05:10 Rinku> k, then the mask
05:10 Harlock> okay
05:10 Rinku> we need to make finding the mask better
05:10 Harlock> yes
05:10 Rinku> right now he's just in a blank room
05:10 Rinku> and finds it nongraphically
05:10 Harlock> but
05:10 Rinku> yeah, you drew those
05:11 Rinku> i will add them
05:11 Harlock> i drew cutscenes of him finding the mask in the bag
05:11 Harlock> okay
05:11 Rinku> and then he looks in front of the mirror
05:11 Harlock> you didn't add any of the ps4 style cutscenes yet
05:11 Rinku> the next day
05:11 Rinku> i will later
05:11 Rinku> near the end
05:11 Rinku> after gfx and font finalized
05:11 Rinku> so what does the mirror scene mean?
05:11 Rinku> what does the mask mean?
05:11 Rinku> brb
05:11 Harlock> what mirror?
05:13 Harlock> http://65.32.139.113/sitegfx/xmas/santalaughani.gif
05:13 Harlock> should we use that for the santa painting?
05:15 Rinku> back
05:15 Rinku> the mirror!
05:15 Rinku> the one he stands in front of
05:15 Rinku> and says he can't see himself
05:15 Harlock> don't remember him ever standing in front of a mirror
05:16 Rinku> then how does he realize it makes him invisible
05:16 Harlock> i thought he noticed when he left the room while wearing it or something
05:16 Harlock> because i don't think a mirror is referenced in the game's textboxes
05:16 Rinku> didn't we use that pic elsewhere
05:16 Harlock> but anyway, it can be added if not
05:16 Rinku> it's in there already
05:16 Rinku> if not, it's not in the version you had
05:17 Rinku> what does the mask mean
05:17 Rinku> why it the game named after it
05:19 Harlock> because the mask is the means by which tilde is fully inspired to challenge santa, and it shows that andre takes the act of "toymaking" seriously by creating things that benefit the user not just amuse them
05:19 Harlock> also, its not just some ancient artifact like a holy sword, it was made by one of the >'s own wills
05:19 Rinku> yes, and also
05:20 Rinku> it is representative of the idea that most people are :P in public but more >ic alone
05:20 Rinku> like the elves who agreed w/ tilde when alone
05:20 Rinku> but not when in a group
05:20 Harlock> we need to demonstrate somehow that the "people" in the game (meaning other than >s and strand's forces) aren't naturally :P, but that its largely masks
05:20 Rinku> yes
05:20 Harlock> as it is, the town's dialogue is just 100% insanity
05:20 Rinku> hehe
05:20 Rinku> yeah
05:21 Harlock> maybe we can solve it by doing some interiors of houses
05:21 Rinku> yeah
05:21 Rinku> and
05:21 Rinku> have people in town
05:21 Rinku> walking around
05:21 Rinku> on the streets
05:21 Rinku> show how they want to be seen as unworldly in public
05:21 Rinku> but have an inner human nature
05:21 Rinku> like the characters in 1984
05:22 Harlock> is there a "market-type" section of town?
05:22 Rinku> some of them, anyway
05:22 Rinku> not yet
05:22 Rinku> market wouldn't exist
05:22 Rinku> it would be communistic
05:22 Harlock> right
05:22 Rinku> all products being directly sent to people
05:22 Harlock> a cooperative then
05:22 Rinku> or picked up in lines
05:22 Rinku> with tickets
05:22 Harlock> with lines of people waiting for bread
05:22 Harlock> but importantly
05:22 Harlock> we could have tons of npcs gathered in these areas
05:22 Harlock> around television monitors
05:23 Rinku> yeah
05:23 Rinku> you need to make more npcs then
05:23 Rinku> and we need more enemy gfx
05:23 Harlock> and in these groups would be the most unworldly of the groups
05:23 Rinku> and to redo the old ones
05:23 Rinku> yeah
05:23 Harlock> i plan to redo all the enemy graphics
05:23 Rinku> like the duckman
05:23 Rinku> in 1984
05:23 Rinku> who talked like a duck
05:23 Rinku> and you couldn't see his eyes
05:24 Rinku> hm
05:24 Rinku> tilde is sort of like our antehm
05:24 Rinku> anthem
05:24 Harlock> yeah
05:24 Rinku> or 1984/brave new world
05:24 Harlock> a dystopian story
05:24 Harlock> all good authors have one
05:24 Rinku> so
05:24 Rinku> that's why it has to be tragic
05:24 Harlock> the gameplay of the town is gathering riddles, right?
05:25 Rinku> but not tragic in the way of 1984
05:25 Rinku> yes
05:25 Rinku> tragic in that they rise against the unworld and are defeated
05:25 Rinku> but still not 'defeated'
05:25 Rinku> in the way that the main character in 1984 was
05:25 Harlock> okay, so that's some ideas for new canada
05:26 Harlock> what comes next story-wise? from where we were?
05:26 Harlock> oh yeah, the mask
05:26 Rinku> yes, after he finds the mask he puts it on
05:26 Rinku> and goes after cilde
05:26 Rinku> perhaps we should show that he is friends with cilde?
05:26 Rinku> since it kind of seems strange
05:26 Rinku> to have her only scene be death
05:26 Rinku> like, maybe that day
05:26 Rinku> before the test
05:26 Rinku> he could tell the idea of making a toy to her
05:26 Harlock> perhaps she could be waiting outside for him after he's turned out of santa's chamber after the lecture
05:26 Rinku> and she could say something like she tried that a lot of times
05:27 Rinku> yeah
05:27 Rinku> and she could say something like 'if you want to make a toy and keep them, you need to do it more secretly'
05:27 Rinku> and tilde could say
05:27 Rinku> 'no! i've had enough. making toys for myself is too dangerous'
05:28 Harlock> alright
05:28 Harlock> this is too-fold
05:28 Harlock> shows that cilde has a history of dissension
05:28 Harlock> and that tilde has a reason to care that she was thrown to spiders
05:28 Rinku> yep
05:29 Rinku> rand once said
05:29 Rinku> that every sentence in atlas shrugged is at least five-fold
05:29 Harlock> heh
05:29 Rinku> and sometimes as many as 60-fold
05:29 Harlock> probably its true
05:29 Harlock> so, onward to the spider hole
05:29 Rinku> yep
05:29 Rinku> he sees her skeleton
05:29 Harlock> the reason for spiders is obvious
05:30 Harlock> webs and such
05:30 Rinku> yep
05:30 Rinku> we need more spider types there
05:30 Rinku> baby spiders
05:30 Rinku> webs on the walls too
05:30 Harlock> hmm
05:30 Harlock> is there a boss of that place?
05:30 Rinku> just the three spiders
05:30 Rinku> three blue ones
05:31 Rinku> but it's not a 'boss'
05:31 Rinku> although you can't run from them
05:31 Rinku> nor any other blue spider
05:31 Harlock> okay, does tilde have any attacks that can hit all at that point?
05:31 Rinku> ampersand
05:31 Rinku> the doll he finds on cilde
05:31 Harlock> hmm
05:31 Harlock> perhaps there could be a boss of a spider in a web
05:32 Rinku> how
05:32 Harlock> and the only way to be able to target the spider is to destroy the web, but the web can be like ... 6 enemies
05:32 Harlock> and they all have to be destroyed simultaneously
05:32 Rinku> hm
05:32 Harlock> or else it'll grow back
05:32 Rinku> yeah...
05:32 Rinku> wonder if that's possible
05:32 Rinku> in ohr
05:32 Rinku> let's see...
05:33 Rinku> there is no 'revive'
05:33 Rinku> only summon
05:33 Rinku> so each turn the webs could summon another web
05:33 Rinku> if there is room, the web will reappear
05:33 Rinku> and if all are dead, none will be summoned
05:33 Rinku> so it could start with 3 segments
05:33 Rinku> and work up to 7
05:34 Rinku> and each of those webs could decrease tilde's speed
05:34 Rinku> k, sounds good enough
05:35 Rinku> without the webs, the master spider could run?
05:35 Harlock> hmm, yeah
05:35 Rinku> or perhaps fall?
05:35 Harlock> good idea
05:35 Rinku> could be a pit under it
05:35 Rinku> and it would be standing on a pit w/ webs
05:35 Rinku> and when the webs die it falls
05:35 Harlock> yeah
05:35 Rinku> would have to draw different frames
05:36 Rinku> each frame would summon the next frame
05:36 Rinku> so it'll look like it's falling
05:36 Harlock> it would attack itself when alone with an attack that had a caption like "master spider is falling"
05:36 Rinku> yeah
05:36 Rinku> also
05:36 Rinku> should we make the enemies not random
05:36 Rinku> but more like nova and harlock's game
05:36 Rinku> where they wander about
05:36 Rinku> as npcs
05:37 Rinku> and they could constantly come out of cracks in the walls
05:37 Harlock> hmm
05:37 Rinku> be made via plotscripting
05:37 Rinku> and move in patterns
05:37 Harlock> the latter is a good idea
05:37 Harlock> at least for the spiderhole
05:37 Rinku> like, sometimes chase tilde
05:37 Rinku> and sometimes flee from him
05:38 Rinku> okay, we'll do that
05:38 Rinku> so, after the spider hole
05:38 Rinku> the tilde/strand scene is pretty good as is, i think
05:38 Harlock> yeah
05:38 Harlock> don't see much to improve there
05:38 Harlock> and the scene after it of recruiting other elves, but then losing them to group mentality is good too
05:39 Rinku> yeah
05:39 Rinku> should make the group larger though
05:39 Rinku> like 15-20 npcs
05:39 Rinku> since part of the theme is that the unworld is like one organism
05:39 Rinku> and needs lots of interchangable cells
05:39 Rinku> that's one thing about the unworld rand didn't know
05:39 Harlock> okay
05:40 Rinku> but bloom and we do
05:40 Harlock> what comes next?
05:40 Rinku> the decision to stop christmas himself
05:40 Rinku> i think
05:40 Harlock> wasn't there supposed to be a puzzle involving clocks and doors?
05:40 Rinku> and he walks past the electric wires
05:40 Rinku> hm
05:40 Rinku> that's later
05:41 Rinku> when they return to the workshop
05:41 Harlock> oh
05:41 Rinku> here, there are just electric wires
05:41 Rinku> that prevent elves from leaving
05:41 Rinku> and sentries
05:41 Rinku> but he easily gets past the sentrie
05:41 Rinku> since he is invisible
05:41 Rinku> and the wires he just avoids using maze-logic
05:41 Harlock> and snowmen attack outside
05:41 Rinku> yes
05:42 Rinku> the snowmen guards can see his footprints
05:42 Rinku> so he has to remove the mask
05:42 Rinku> or
05:42 Rinku> we could have him wear it
05:42 Rinku> and just have him as indentations in the snow
05:42 Rinku> walking footprints
05:42 Rinku> not sure how that would relate to the theme though
05:42 Rinku> which would be preferable?
05:42 Harlock> hmm
05:43 Harlock> well, why snowmen?
05:43 Harlock> spiders are there for a reason
05:43 Rinku> because they are made up of snow
05:43 Rinku> hm
05:43 Rinku> children make snowmen
05:43 Rinku> so they are another symbol of how the unworld attacks where you least suspect
05:43 Rinku> snowmen are made by groups
05:43 Rinku> usually
05:43 Rinku> they are objects formed by many hands
05:44 Harlock> hrmm
05:44 Rinku> hehe
05:44 Rinku> think of a better reason to use them then
05:44 Harlock> that's a good reason
05:45 Harlock> just trying to think of how he comes into confrontation with them
05:45 Harlock> can a collective mind see beyond the powers of the mask?
05:45 Rinku> probably not
05:46 Rinku> the collective mind is made up of people in :P mode
05:46 Rinku> so it can't directly see people in normal individual mode
05:46 Rinku> just see them through the eyes of the :P mode
05:46 Harlock> well, the nature of the mask's invisibility is that it represents how you won't get hammered if you don't stick out
05:46 Rinku> that's why people in :P mode hate people in individual mode
05:46 Harlock> that's why it has :P on it
05:46 Rinku> yeah
05:46 Rinku> if you pretend to be a :P you will be invisible
05:47 Rinku> as long as it's just a mask and not reality there would be hope
05:47 Rinku> but if it becomes fused you fail
05:47 Harlock> hmm, can't think of any good way to incite the snowman confrontations right now
05:47 Rinku> maybe we would have elves with fused :P masks
05:47 Rinku> near the end
05:47 Rinku> like, maybe strand
05:47 Rinku> he copied the design
05:47 Rinku> and made a bunch of masks to counter the :P mask
05:47 Rinku> and sends an army wearing them
05:47 Rinku> that all look like the 'unworld soldier'
05:47 Rinku> in your test drawing
05:48 Harlock> yeah
05:48 Harlock> good idea
05:48 Harlock> great idea, even
05:48 Harlock> haha, how many npcs can be onscreen simultaneously?
05:48 Harlock> 36 seperate i know, but how many copies?
05:48 Rinku> 255 i think
05:49 Harlock> excellent
05:49 Harlock> we need a huge sprawling force
05:49 Rinku> yeah
05:49 Harlock> of :P's in suits
05:49 Rinku> anyway, to the snowmen
05:49 Rinku> maybe we could mention them earlier
05:50 Rinku> somewhere
05:50 Rinku> how about
05:50 Rinku> we give another elf a name
05:50 Rinku> one of the ones who agrees most while alone
05:50 Rinku> but is too scared to help tilde
05:51 Rinku> and that elf can talk with tilde about tilde's plan to destroy the sleigh's bags of toys
05:51 Rinku> and mention that tilde would never get past the snowmen
05:51 Rinku> and could mention how they are made
05:51 Rinku> and how the elves are forced to make them, each elf contributing one handful of snow
05:51 Harlock> heh
05:51 Rinku> each elf leader one button
05:51 Rinku> and santa the nose
05:52 Harlock> alright
05:52 Harlock> as for how they discover him?
05:53 Rinku> footprints in snow would be good, if it meant something
05:53 Rinku> what would the snow represent?
05:53 Rinku> maybe it could start snowing half way there
05:54 Rinku> or
05:55 Rinku> maybe a reindeer could smell him
05:55 Rinku> and alert the snowmen
05:55 Rinku> rudolph
05:55 Harlock> but wouldn't they alert santa too?
05:55 Rinku> oh
05:55 Rinku> yeah
05:55 Rinku> so maybe remove the snowmen?
05:55 Harlock> hrmm
05:55 Rinku> and save them for shiz's part?
05:55 Rinku> or
05:56 Rinku> have them there
05:56 Rinku> but he doesn't have to fight any
05:56 Rinku> unless he talks to them
05:56 Rinku> so he has the option of gaining levels
05:56 Rinku> but when the whole group comes there later
05:56 Harlock> alright
05:56 Rinku> then they fight
05:56 Rinku> since they can't all be invisible
05:56 Harlock> well
05:56 Harlock> you could have snowmen bouncing around at wander
05:56 Harlock> and he just has to avoid them
05:57 Rinku> yeah
05:57 Harlock> without touching them
05:57 Rinku> k, that's the snow part
05:57 Rinku> this is where our old demo got stuck
05:57 Rinku> w/ that bug
05:57 Harlock> yeah, but we fixed it
05:57 Rinku> yeah
05:57 Rinku> the sleigh part is okay
05:58 Rinku> but we might vary the santa battle more
05:58 Harlock> it happens when an after battle script is used on a battle called from a script
05:58 Rinku> make him say stuff in battle
05:58 Rinku> now that they are allowed to do that
05:58 Harlock> yeah
05:58 Harlock> santa should just be totally imposing
05:58 Rinku> going to redraw?
05:58 Harlock> have the aire of this great sorceror
05:58 Harlock> yeah
05:59 Rinku> what does the falling from the sleigh mean?
05:59 Rinku> that he isn't able to defeat santa until he has a fuller experience and understanding?
05:59 Harlock> yeah
05:59 Rinku> that he can only get by seeing new canada in full?
05:59 Rinku> k
05:59 Harlock> since he kind of loses because santa is able to use santa shine on him
05:59 Rinku> yep
06:00 Rinku> indicating he still has no rational philosophy of egoism
06:00 Rinku> antimony could be like a rand-type figure
06:00 Harlock> santa could ask questions in battle
06:00 Rinku> yeah
06:00 Harlock> like the typical altruist standbys
06:00 Harlock> and tilde's replies would just get more and more shaky
06:00 Harlock> not knowing how to defend himself
06:00 Rinku> yeah
06:00 Harlock> and then BAM! santa shine
06:00 Rinku> good idea
06:01 Rinku> next, the meen/neem scene
06:01 Rinku> it's pretty good as is, i think
06:01 Harlock> yeah
06:01 Harlock> its one of the best scenes in the product so far
06:02 Rinku> okay, now from here the game is partly unfinished
06:02 Rinku> we need to add stuff to the town, forest, etc.
06:02 Harlock> only the dialogue about their uncle is a bit confusing
06:02 Harlock> how exactly does their scene end, after tilde gives them the flutoscope?
06:02 Harlock> they talk about uncle mortevold?
06:02 Rinku> yeah
06:03 Rinku> i'd have to reread it to see
06:03 Harlock> they mention something about santa's red sword too
06:03 Harlock> i forget
06:03 Harlock> one second, i'll read
06:03 Rinku> k
06:05 Harlock> Townsman: Hello. The day's work is done and I return to New Canada for my daily sleep.
06:07 Rinku> ?
06:07 Rinku> i wrote that?
06:07 Rinku> oh, for the train i think
06:09 Harlock> yeah
06:09 Harlock> its funny, like most of the town dialogue
06:10 Harlock> alright, read the part in question
06:10 Harlock> its kosher
06:10 Harlock> they say "maybe he can go visit uncle. he used to work for santa"
06:10 Harlock> and the other says "no fool he worked for grandpa whitehead. his beard was blue, and he didn't have a red coat."
06:10 Harlock> and the other replies "but his sword was red."
06:11 Harlock> then they get into an argument and threaten to shoot tilde
06:11 Rinku> yeah
06:11 Harlock> so at that point, he's hurtled out into new canada
06:11 Rinku> they're supposed to be about 7 or 8
06:11 Rinku> okay, so after that
06:11 Rinku> the game becomes 'nonlinear' sort of
06:11 Rinku> you can explore all of the town
06:11 Rinku> and have to find out where the uncle lives
06:12 Harlock> the primary objective in new canada at first is to find mortevold, but you can go other places too
06:12 Harlock> we'll have a church
06:12 Harlock> a school
06:12 Rinku> hospital
06:12 Rinku> mental hospital
06:12 Harlock> a town center with food cooperative
06:12 Rinku> old folks home
06:12 Rinku> jail
06:12 Harlock> a factory?
06:12 Rinku> yeah
06:12 Rinku> lots of them
06:13 Rinku> each making a different product
06:13 Rinku> or different part of a product
06:13 Harlock> yeah
06:13 Rinku> one could make left shoes
06:13 Rinku> and another make right shoes
06:13 Harlock> it would be good if the workers didn't even know what they were making
06:13 Rinku> a factory of all left shoes
06:13 Harlock> just knew how to tell if it looked correct or not
06:13 Rinku> yeah
06:14 Rinku> so the sole of a left shoe
06:14 Rinku> that rubber pad thing
06:14 Rinku> could be one
06:14 Rinku> where meen and neem's parents work
06:14 Harlock> right
06:14 Rinku> also
06:14 Harlock> hmm, this begs a question
06:14 Rinku> we should show andre's toys in meen and neem's room
06:15 Rinku> to show that he is having an effect
06:15 Harlock> is there a leader of the new world?
06:15 Rinku> maybe
06:15 Harlock> a figurehead, i mena
06:15 Harlock> like bb
06:15 Rinku> who doesn't exist?
06:15 Rinku> but just a name?
06:15 Harlock> right
06:15 Harlock> just an image to be plastered all over town
06:15 Harlock> on banners
06:15 Rinku> yeah
06:15 Harlock> on signposts
06:15 Harlock> on tvs
06:15 Rinku> did bb exist?
06:15 Rinku> i don't remember
06:16 Harlock> no, and neither did the "infamous traitor" guy, the leader of the resistance which didn't exist
06:16 Harlock> the resistance lie was just there to catch dissenters
06:16 Rinku> ah
06:17 Rinku> k, so we'll have a bb type figure
06:17 Rinku> sort of god-looking
06:17 Rinku> with a big beard
06:17 Rinku> and angry eyes
06:18 Rinku> and maybe wings
06:18 Harlock> okay, is there anything to "do" in the town
06:18 Rinku> or a unicorn horn
06:18 Harlock> other than take in scenery and see the state of the world?
06:18 Rinku> yeah
06:18 Rinku> fight thugs
06:18 Rinku> not get caught
06:18 Rinku> find items
06:18 Harlock> alright
06:19 Harlock> so eventually they come to find mortevold
06:19 Rinku> we could have raving gangs of thugs
06:19 Rinku> that emerge from the sewers
06:19 Rinku> and then run back
06:19 Rinku> sort of like socialist anarchists
06:19 Rinku> or ch-elite
06:19 Harlock> hmm, should there be an equivalent of prole and bourgeoisie?
06:19 Harlock> the town could have a coffee cooperative too
06:20 Rinku> all the bourgeoise are likely long dead
06:20 Rinku> or their descendents
06:20 Rinku> are the sewere people
06:20 Harlock> where people dressed in black hang out
06:20 Rinku> yeah
06:20 Harlock> and talk about ch-elite things
06:20 Rinku> abolish meaning
06:20 Rinku> you should make most of the unworld test drawn characters as real character types
06:20 Rinku> in the game
06:21 Rinku> the church leader could look like the unworld mystic
06:21 Harlock> okay
06:21 Rinku> caduceus would be the you know who ite
06:21 Rinku> the nihilists could be...
06:21 Rinku> ghosts?
06:21 Rinku> shadows on the floor?
06:21 Harlock> soldiers would come in at the end, due to televisions spying on them using the mask at certain points
06:22 Harlock> like in mortevold's house
06:22 Harlock> talk show louts are just all over the place
06:22 Rinku> yeah
06:22 Rinku> the youth would mostly be talk show louts
06:22 Harlock> mystic can run the church
06:22 Harlock> flag carrier?
06:22 Rinku> and the olds would mostly be pragmatists
06:22 Rinku> the 'life is not like that'ists
06:22 Rinku> the flag carriers are not that important
06:23 Rinku> since everyone of the others if a flag carrier
06:23 Rinku> and the bb posters are flag carrier like
06:23 Harlock> true
06:23 Rinku> we could have a person posting the posters
06:23 Rinku> and he could look like the flag carrier
06:23 Harlock> roving gang members are socialist anarchist activists
06:23 Rinku> yep
06:23 Harlock> environmentalists?
06:23 Rinku> they could be in the ch-elite place maybe
06:24 Rinku> or the forest
06:24 Rinku> they could be the forest rangers
06:24 Rinku> or forest caretakers
06:24 Harlock> they could give you hints on the direction to take
06:24 Harlock> if you bring them soybeans
06:24 Harlock> or tofu
06:24 Harlock> found in the town
06:25 Harlock> since they'd want you out of the forest anyway
06:25 Rinku> yeah
06:25 Rinku> they could be part of the trees
06:25 Rinku> merged into the trees maybe
06:26 Harlock> right
06:26 Harlock> you know who-ite and ch-elite are taken care of, nihilists
06:26 Harlock> nihilists are strange
06:27 Harlock> i get the image of them being like the dementors in harry potter almost
06:27 Rinku> oh
06:27 Rinku> the swerds
06:27 Harlock> ah
06:27 Rinku> we could redraw them to look like nihilists maybe
06:27 Harlock> the swards already use a human outline with pure black, right?
06:27 Rinku> yeah
06:27 Rinku> but they need human shadows
06:27 Harlock> and the swerds use the four legged glowing blue eye form
06:27 Rinku> on the floor
06:28 Harlock> hmm
06:28 Harlock> maybe when they walk, they could flicker between solid black and human?
06:28 Rinku> yeah
06:29 Harlock> the world doesn't work like that-ist
06:29 Harlock> can be found in the school's headmaster
06:29 Harlock> and older townsfools
06:29 Rinku> yeah
06:29 Harlock> fatcat?
06:29 Rinku> could be the factory owners
06:30 Rinku> or the stock traders
06:30 Harlock> how would we show them, though?
06:30 Rinku> not sure
06:30 Rinku> they are a symbol of complacency
06:30 Rinku> so they need to be shown being complacent rather than taking action
06:30 Rinku> since they like money and goods and material objects
06:31 Harlock> maybe one of the factories could be on fire or something
06:31 Harlock> and inside all the workers are running about crazily
06:32 Harlock> but the fatcat would be in his office counting money or something
06:32 Harlock> and remark on how he'd handle the issue of the fire when the time came
06:32 Rinku> yeah
06:32 Rinku> good idea
06:32 Harlock> "these things usually take care of themselves if you just ignore it for a while."
06:32 Rinku> perhaps we could make a factory one of the riddles
06:32 Rinku> so that its mandatory to go there
06:32 Rinku> or something built in the factory
06:33 Rinku> as the answer to the riddle
06:33 Harlock> alright
06:33 Harlock> hmm
06:33 Harlock> i don't know how interesting it would be
06:33 Harlock> but maybe antimony's riddles could just be like
06:34 Harlock> he says "collect for me the signs of the world's decay"
06:34 Harlock> and you have to find several unworld types and report back
06:34 Harlock> that includes going to the factory and seeing what's happening, completing the school quest, etc.
06:34 Rinku> yeah
06:34 Rinku> although he should also ask 'what is the answer to curing this'
06:34 Rinku> and you need the flutoscope
06:34 Harlock> yeah, after you get them all
06:35 Rinku> yeah
06:35 Rinku> also
06:35 Rinku> antimony should open up stores to you
06:35 Rinku> after each new item brought back
06:35 Rinku> so you can get new items as a reward for each
06:36 Harlock> right
06:36 Harlock> you'd collect an item of proof from each type
06:36 Harlock> like a viking portable book from the coffee cooperative
06:36 Harlock> viking portable of some blagful philosopher
06:36 Rinku> hehe
06:36 Rinku> yeah
06:37 Rinku> we should make up some name
06:37 Rinku> that sounds existentialist and postmodernistic
06:37 Harlock> hrmm
06:37 Harlock> okay, i'll note that and think on it later
06:37 Harlock> let's move on for now
06:37 Rinku> k
06:38 Harlock> so the town has an abundance of things to do
06:38 Rinku> yeah
06:38 Harlock> and eventually one meets mortevold
06:38 Rinku> like 8 unworld items maybe
06:38 Rinku> like the 8 triforce pieces
06:38 Rinku> it could be the main part of the game
06:38 Rinku> or at least a third of it
06:39 Rinku> first third: up to meen and neem
06:39 Rinku> second third: unworld riddles
06:39 Rinku> third third: attack on santa (school, train, shiz, santa)
06:40 Rinku> we should try to get this done by xmas
06:40 Rinku> only 4 months
06:40 Rinku> 120 days
06:40 Harlock> after meeting mortevold, he talks about his general malaise and you can view the picture of himself and caduceus and some master-figure
06:40 Rinku> yeah
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conversation between me and harlock about tilde on 8/24/02, part 2 of 2
06:41 Rinku> also, getting moretvold and andre could be partly nonlinear
06:41 Harlock> then he joins you for the trek to the forest of the second-hand
06:41 Rinku> so that you can get some unworld items before mortevold
06:41 Rinku> if you are strong enough to do it alone
06:41 Harlock> yeah
06:41 Rinku> but you won't be able to get to antimony without andre
06:42 Rinku> since he knows the password to antimony's base
06:42 Harlock> okay
06:42 Harlock> what is the trouble you encounter in the forest of the second hand?
06:42 Rinku> the forest should adapt itself to you
06:42 Rinku> and the animals come up to you to feed you
06:42 Rinku> etc.
06:43 Harlock> yeah, they ask for you to eat them
06:43 Harlock> don't you also fight the 12 days of xmas there?
06:43 Rinku> yes
06:44 *** ShizumaEiyuu has joined #tilde
06:44 Harlock> what is that battle like?
06:44 Rinku> it's each day one after the other
06:44 Rinku> swans, partridges, pears, etc.
06:45 Rinku> calling birds
06:45 Rinku> drummers
06:45 Harlock> why them though?
06:45 Rinku> since it's the 12 days of xmas
06:45 Rinku> we could give each gameplay
06:45 Rinku> to match its role in the song
06:46 Harlock> how do the 12 days fit into the web though?
06:46 ShizumaEiyuu> it's santa clauses FINAL FORM!
06:46 Rinku> they don't fit to the web
06:47 ShizumaEiyuu> you know
06:47 Rinku> except that the song is related to xma
06:47 Harlock> santa is more powerful than maids-a-milking
06:47 Rinku> xmas
06:47 Rinku> yes
06:47 ShizumaEiyuu> like neon ex-death!
06:47 ShizumaEiyuu> but scarier!
06:47 Rinku> the song had to have a purpose
06:47 Rinku> research the song's history online one day
06:47 Rinku> and we'll figure it out then
06:47 Harlock> okay
06:47 Harlock> so andre joins the party and you learn about the history of the mask
06:47 ShizumaEiyuu> i'll do it now
06:48 Rinku> yes
06:48 *** ShizumaEiyuu is now known as LordShiz
06:48 Harlock> and he advises that if you want to overthrow santa, you should go seek antimony and the rebel's aid
06:48 Rinku> and the three of them decide to go to antimony and request help
06:48 Harlock> that reminds me
06:48 Rinku> and he says he won't help till they fully understand the unworld
06:48 Harlock> isn't lord shiz also antimony's father's brother?
06:48 Harlock> errrr
06:48 Harlock> i mean
06:48 Harlock> isn't lord shiz also meen and neem's father's brother?
06:48 Rinku> yeah
06:48 LordShiz> lordshiz is an only child!
06:49 Harlock> whereas mortevold is their mother's brother
06:49 Rinku> yeah
06:49 Harlock> they should mention him then near the beginning
06:49 Rinku> yeah
06:49 Harlock> in their discussions
06:49 Rinku> or later
06:49 Rinku> in the school
06:49 Harlock> yeah, school is better
06:49 Harlock> lord shiz can have been a teacher once
06:49 Rinku> yep
06:50 Harlock> alright, good
06:50 Harlock> so, you go to antimony and the riddle portion starts proper
06:50 Harlock> so the 8 items you need to collect will be
06:50 Harlock> 1. something from the talk show louts
06:50 Harlock> 2. a mystic necklace from the mystics
06:51 Harlock> 3. one of the bb posters
06:51 Rinku> talk show lout thing could be alcohol or its substitute
06:51 LordShiz> i'm checking sources on twelve days of christmas' meaning
06:51 Rinku> some new version of it
06:51 Harlock> 4. viking portable of blagful philosopher
06:51 Harlock> 5. something from the fatcat
06:52 Rinku> something symbolizing laziness... a tv remote maybe
06:52 Rinku> tv/dvd remote
06:52 Harlock> 6. something from the activists
06:52 Harlock> like a protest sign
06:52 Rinku> something destructive
06:52 Harlock> or an anarchy armband
06:52 Harlock> hmm
06:52 Rinku> or something disordered
06:53 LordShiz> omni-remote
06:53 Harlock> 7. something from a fringe fanatic
06:53 Harlock> how would the faux >ists be represented?
06:53 Harlock> all the others are accounted for
06:54 Rinku> a day planner
06:54 Rinku> maybe
06:54 Harlock> what about willing martyr?
06:54 Harlock> they could just be in the city somewhere
06:54 Harlock> ranting and raving
06:54 Rinku> the willing martyr's are no longer needed though
06:54 Rinku> since the unworld has won
06:55 LordShiz> okay, the meaning of the song is that it is a memory game
06:55 Harlock> true
06:55 Rinku> the willing martyrs only exist when the world is winning
06:55 LordShiz> anything about the catholic of christian church is false
06:55 LordShiz> the book Twelve Days of Christmas: A
06:55 LordShiz> Celebration and History, by Leigh Grant, ISBN 0-679-74038-4.
06:55 LordShiz> It says the words from this song first appeared in a book
06:55 LordShiz> titled Mirth without Mischief. That book came out in 1780
06:55 LordShiz> or 1783) in England. The tune apparently dates back much
06:55 LordShiz> further and came from France. That 1780 book describes
06:55 LordShiz> "The Twelve Days of Christmas" as a "memory and forfeits game"
06:55 LordShiz> played by children at that time. The leader recited the first
06:56 LordShiz> verse, the next child recited the second verse, and this
06:56 LordShiz> continued until someone missed his or her verse and had to
06:56 LordShiz> pay some kind of penalty in the game. "The Twelve Days of
06:56 LordShiz> Christmas" became popular at the "12th-night parties" that
06:56 LordShiz> took place in the Christmas season.
06:56 Rinku> ((brb))
06:56 LordShiz> the memory game
06:57 LordShiz> this reminds me of the "favorites" scene in tilde
06:57 LordShiz> which was a memory game
06:57 LordShiz> where forgetting had penalty
06:59 Harlock> shiz, what would be a good item to collect from the oxymoronic socialist anarchist activist unworld type?
07:00 Rinku> back
07:01 LordShiz> hurm
07:01 LordShiz> a $1000 bong
07:01 LordShiz> er
07:01 LordShiz> a $1,000,000 bong
07:01 Rinku> a gun?
07:01 Rinku> a gun with two points?
07:02 Rinku> so that when it fires it kills yourself too?
07:02 Rinku> or an axe?
07:02 Rinku> an axe of khaos?
07:03 Rinku> or of bloodlust
07:03 LordShiz> ...
07:03 Harlock> hmm
07:03 LordShiz> good item howso though?
07:03 Rinku> since they like destruction more than replacement with a better system
07:04 LordShiz> there's the item
07:04 LordShiz> in the comic book "fantastic four"
07:05 LordShiz> it's a small metal device, kinda like a lighter
07:05 LordShiz> called
07:05 LordShiz> "the ultimate nullifier"
07:05 LordShiz> with a single press of the button
07:05 LordShiz> all existense will cease to exist
07:05 LordShiz> or at least that's what it is beleived to do
07:05 LordShiz> of course, you couldn't know for sure ^_^
07:06 Rinku> hm
07:06 LordShiz> okay
07:06 LordShiz> i was a bit wrong
07:06 LordShiz> but read this:
07:06 LordShiz> http://marvelite.prohosting.com/surfer/galactus/nullifier.html
07:09 Rinku> where did harlock go
07:09 LordShiz> i was thinking of the history eraser button from ren and stimpy
07:09 LordShiz> but
07:09 LordShiz> something along those lines
07:09 Harlock> i'm here
07:09 LordShiz> would work
07:09 Harlock> i'm seeing linda off
07:09 Harlock> brb
07:09 Rinku> ah, an eraser!
07:09 Rinku> good idea
07:09 Rinku> just a pencil eraser!
07:09 Rinku> fits perfectly
07:12 LordShiz> but rinku
07:12 LordShiz> it's the ultimate pencil eraser
07:12 LordShiz> you can erase actions
07:12 LordShiz> and things you said
07:12 LordShiz> it's the ultimate "i take that back"
07:12 LordShiz> this would be perfect
07:14 Harlock> back
07:15 Harlock> anyway, if they had a history eraser button in their command, they would have already used it
07:15 Rinku> yeah
07:15 Rinku> but i mean a normal eraser
07:15 Rinku> that they use for erasing things
07:15 LordShiz> as do i
07:15 Harlock> i know, i was responding to shiz
07:15 Rinku> k
07:15 LordShiz> i'm saying now
07:15 LordShiz> what about something that erased what you just did?
07:15 Rinku> anyway, we just need to come up with how each of these unworld items is to be obtained
07:16 LordShiz> oh you are just looking for meaningless items
07:16 Rinku> meaningless?
07:16 Harlock> no, not meaningless
07:16 LordShiz> well
07:16 LordShiz> less important
07:16 Harlock> what happens is that
07:16 LordShiz> than i had in mind
07:16 Harlock> someone tells you to show him proof of the world's decay
07:16 Harlock> and you collect 8 items, each from an unworld type
07:17 Harlock> and bring them back to him
07:17 LordShiz> then go with the $1,000,000 bong from the activist
07:17 Harlock> but they're destructive not extravagant or inordinately foolish
07:18 LordShiz> i see
07:18 LordShiz> why is this?
07:19 LordShiz> foolish shows it better
07:19 Harlock> foolish shows what better?
07:19 LordShiz> becuase that is the source of the destructiveness
07:19 LordShiz> not actual destructive devices
07:19 Harlock> still, a bong is more like something the talk show lout would weild
07:19 LordShiz> foolish devices show that the world is decaying better than a destructive device does
07:20 Harlock> since a bong speaks of lethargy
07:20 Harlock> and activists are uh... active
07:20 LordShiz> not really
07:20 LordShiz> more like activists are negative
07:20 LordShiz> they tear down values
07:20 LordShiz> and hope to instill new, better ones
07:20 LordShiz> such as, bongs
07:21 LordShiz> it's weird thinking
07:21 LordShiz> brb
07:21 Rinku> like bakunin
07:21 Rinku> the russian anarchist
07:21 Rinku> he wanted to destroy old russia to make a new one
07:21 Rinku> but focused more on destruction than building of rationality
07:22 Rinku> so maybe the leader of the activists could weild the bakunin blade
07:22 Rinku> and the ch-elites could have the kant knife
07:22 Rinku> and the fatcats could have the jsang boomerange
07:27 Harlock> heh
07:28 LordShiz> but how do these items show the destructiveness of the groups?
07:28 LordShiz> other than on obscure terms?
07:28 Rinku> no
07:28 Rinku> these aren't the items
07:28 Rinku> these are the weapons
07:29 Rinku> the items are different
07:29 Rinku> and how are they obscure?
07:29 Rinku> everyone knows bakunin and kant
07:29 LordShiz> heh
07:29 Rinku> although not everyone knows jsang
07:29 LordShiz> yes
07:29 Rinku> so the jsang one will need to be changed
07:29 Rinku> to something like bill gates
07:29 Rinku> although bill gates is more >ic than jsang
07:29 LordShiz> but not everybody things about bakunin or kant
07:29 Rinku> everyone who reads enough
07:29 LordShiz> thinks
07:30 Rinku> it's just like referencing napoleon or abe lincoln
07:30 Rinku> references are okay as long as they are famous
07:30 Rinku> like ff7
07:30 Rinku> it referenced a lot of things
07:30 Rinku> heidegger
07:30 Rinku> nibelheim
07:30 Rinku> midgard
07:30 LordShiz> yes
07:30 Rinku> sephiroth
07:31 Rinku> hojo
07:31 LordShiz> i get it
07:31 Rinku> hehe
07:31 LordShiz> i'm sorry
07:31 LordShiz> ;_;
07:31 Rinku> harlock, well
07:31 Rinku> what do we need to do next
07:31 Harlock> I WAS DRAWING
07:31 Harlock> ack
07:31 Harlock> i was drawing
07:31 Rinku> drawing what
07:32 Harlock> http://65.32.139.113/sitegfx/usoldier.gif
07:32 LordShiz> nice harlock
07:32 Harlock> we need 255 of them
07:32 Harlock> all in lines
07:32 Harlock> moving in unison
07:33 Harlock> anyway
07:33 Harlock> we need to decide how the items will be obtained
07:33 Harlock> but we can do that later
07:34 Rinku> y
07:34 Harlock> anyway, you solve all the riddles, but then need to get the flutoscope
07:34 Harlock> so you have to venture to the school
07:34 Rinku> y
07:34 Rinku> meen and neem will tell you their flut is gone
07:34 Rinku> confiscated
07:34 Rinku> or, better
07:35 Rinku> neem could tell you that meen was caught with it
07:35 Rinku> and is jailed
07:35 Rinku> in the school dungeons
07:35 Harlock> therein you find a graphic portrayal of the unworld, and you should have to bypass red tape and all to get to the "playground"
07:35 Rinku> so you have to go rescue him/her
07:35 Rinku> yeah
07:35 Harlock> where you find neem who tells you that meen has been jailed for bringing a toy to school
07:35 Harlock> maybe neem can join you for this part?
07:35 Rinku> yeah
07:35 Harlock> since antimony won't have joined yet
07:36 Rinku> they could also move seperately
07:36 Rinku> you could be able to split up your party
07:36 Rinku> and explore different areas
07:36 Rinku> and then join up
07:36 Rinku> for the final battle of the school
07:36 Harlock> well the task at hand at the school is retrieving the scope
07:37 Rinku> yep
07:37 Harlock> but you'll need to beat the headmaster to do it
07:37 Rinku> didn't we plan this battle?
07:37 Harlock> i think so
07:37 Harlock> something like, meen is in a cage
07:37 Rinku> yeah
07:37 Harlock> and you have to free him so can use the flutoscope on too high!! to help you win
07:37 Rinku> yep
07:37 Harlock> but what leads up to this?
07:38 Harlock> i keep thinking that there should be something with like, a collective of students
07:38 Harlock> zomby-types
07:38 Rinku> or, actual zombies
07:38 Rinku> of children
07:38 Rinku> in the dungeons
07:38 Rinku> made up of those who failed the tests
07:38 Harlock> amalgon makes kid-zombies
07:38 Harlock> so that makes sense
07:39 Harlock> i was thinking that the majority of the school's graphics should be grayscale too
07:40 Harlock> like b&w floor tiles
07:40 Harlock> white walls
07:40 Harlock> black doors
07:40 Harlock> grey lockers
07:40 LordShiz> schools these days look like prisons
07:40 Rinku> yeah
07:40 LordShiz> like they have 6 foot high windows
07:40 LordShiz> with bars on them
07:40 LordShiz> to prevent escape
07:40 Rinku> but, my school most mostly olive green
07:40 LordShiz> seriously
07:40 Rinku> dark green stairs
07:40 Rinku> green walls
07:40 Rinku> green floors
07:41 Harlock> yeah, the school should definitely have barred windows and barbed wire and such
07:41 LordShiz> way too high windows
07:41 LordShiz> that are like lil'slots
07:42 LordShiz> cameras every 3 fee
07:42 LordShiz> feet
07:42 Harlock> there should be standard school locales too
07:42 Harlock> like, in addition to the sprawling hallways
07:42 Harlock> you need a few classrooms
07:42 Harlock> libraries
07:42 Harlock> a library*
07:42 Harlock> with 3 books
07:42 Harlock> a playground with no equipment
07:42 Harlock> a cafeteria
07:43 Rinku> yeah
07:43 Rinku> we planned some of this too i think
07:43 Harlock> and the offices of the staff, which lead into the dungeons
07:43 Harlock> shiz has a good idea about cameras
07:43 Harlock> they can work on the red-light-green-light premise
07:43 LordShiz> every school to try and be fun
07:43 LordShiz> also has a really big plant
07:43 LordShiz> usually near the principals office
07:43 Harlock> and if you're caught moving while the camera's lights are green
07:43 LordShiz> like a reall huge, often fake plant
07:44 Rinku> good idea
07:44 Harlock> you have to face robotic hall monitors
07:44 LordShiz> the washrooms are also usually very far away
07:45 LordShiz> like at the end of a long hall on the 5th floor
07:45 Harlock> the school should be more like a fortress than anything
07:45 Harlock> with lots of locked doors
07:45 Harlock> that can't be opened
07:45 LordShiz> like bolt-lock doors?
07:45 Harlock> yeah
07:45 LordShiz> you know a lot of schools these days have metal detectors
07:46 Harlock> hmm
07:46 Harlock> that's a good idea too
07:46 LordShiz> you could like, have a decontamination chamber as well
07:46 Harlock> you have to deequip yourself before passing through one
07:46 LordShiz> and a finger print machine
07:46 LordShiz> oh
07:46 LordShiz> yeh
07:46 Harlock> or you trigger the alarms
07:46 LordShiz> that's good
07:46 Harlock> i was thinking
07:47 Harlock> maybe neem knows about hidden passages through the school
07:47 Harlock> that you access by going into the lockers
07:47 Harlock> certain lockers, i mean
07:47 Rinku> yeah
07:48 Rinku> tilde and andre could pass for children
07:48 Rinku> they should find children's unforms
07:48 Rinku> uniforms
07:48 Rinku> and wear them
07:48 Rinku> then they can go unnoticed
07:48 Rinku> mortevold could perhaps pretend to be a teacher
07:48 Harlock> that would also explain the need to split the group up
07:48 Harlock> maybe
07:48 Rinku> yep
07:49 Harlock> neem tells tilde and andre about the path to the dungeons
07:49 Harlock> while she and mortevold have to subdue a teacher and take over his class and secretly try to rally support of some of the students in it?
07:50 Rinku> maybe
07:51 Harlock> or at least
07:51 LordShiz> i'm looking for nice airlock doors for you
07:51 LordShiz> http://members.iinet.net.au/~patch/airlock1.jpg
07:51 Harlock> she and mortevold have to get into the control room (using mortevold's teacher act)
07:51 Harlock> in order to open doors in the basement
07:51 Harlock> to let tilde and andre through to where meen is
07:51 Harlock> but they meet back up in the end
07:52 Harlock> those are good doors
07:52 Harlock> mortevold would have to answer several questions pretending to be an unworldite
07:53 Harlock> in order to get them into the room
07:53 Harlock> and tilde and andre would be busy fending off zombies and navigating the maze of the basement area
07:54 Harlock> i'm getting kind of tired
07:54 LordShiz> http://www.cybertrn.demon.co.uk/guardian/door.jpg
07:54 Harlock> haven't slept in about 26 hours
07:55 Rinku> hm
07:55 Rinku> k
07:55 Rinku> we can finish the planning tomorrow
07:55 Rinku> be on early then
07:55 Rinku> midnight or so
07:55 Harlock> tonight you mean?
07:55 Harlock> i'll be on tonight around 9 or 10
07:55 Harlock> okay
07:55 Harlock> night
07:56 LordShiz> http://www.insc.gov.ua/plants/khmelnitskiy/photos/pb210438.jpg
07:56 Rinku> nite
07:56 Rinku> yes, tonight
07:57 LordShiz> seeya rinku
07:57 Rinku> nite
Session Close: Sat Aug 24 07:57:05 2002
8:50 am
[rinku]
another conversation between me and harlock about tilde on 8/25/02
02:54 HarlockHero> this list is going to take a while to get
02:54 HarlockHero> dal is the biggest irc server
02:55 TalkShowLout> y
02:57 HarlockHero> still going
02:57 HarlockHero> in the meantime
02:57 HarlockHero> http://www.stuntaz.cjb.net/
03:03 TalkShowLout> did you see the lord of the rings poster there?
03:04 HarlockHero> yeah
03:04 TalkShowLout> Please don't send us nothing suckaz. Due to the fact Anthrax is a real threat on the Important people of U.S., we are at great risk. I hope our fans understand.
03:05 HarlockHero> BLADE, the leader of the group and quite possibly the most dangerous person you have eva met. 2 years in state pen for armed robbery, 4 years in rehab(still on the yayo), and who knows whats next for this tight foo.
03:06 TalkShowLout> hehe
03:07 HarlockHero> that reminds me
03:07 HarlockHero> i put an ad in the paper
03:07 HarlockHero> it says
03:07 TalkShowLout> how can you afford an ad
03:08 HarlockHero> CAPABLE SWORDSMAN FOR HIRE - will give lessons or perform guard/escort duty for negotiable pay. no assassinations. extensive exp, founded own style. insert contact info here>
03:08 HarlockHero> its not too expensive
03:08 HarlockHero> maybe i'll get a call too
03:08 HarlockHero> once it runs
03:08 TalkShowLout> hm
03:11 TalkShowLout> Man, we just 1% of the population that can actually afford these luxuries, and we wanted to share the experience with the less fortunate. You suckaz don't appreciate the knowledge we bless you with, just wanna hate.
03:12 TalkShowLout> I am sorry to all the internet nerds that buy real domains and get less hits than this geocities site. Sorry. I am sorry to all the boyfriends that were left with broken hearts after there girlfriends saw this site. Sorry.
03:13 TalkShowLout> I am sorry to all the hackers that keep wasting there time, when we come back the next day. Sorry. The Icy Hot Stuntaz would like to say sorry to all the hataz. Sorry you hate us, cause you ain't us. AHAHAHA. Suckaz.
03:13 TalkShowLout> Music is back up, by popular demand suckaz. Our site was hacked again. Blah blah, same ol hataz spending hours to get rid of us. Funny thing is...what will you do when we are gone? Sucka.
03:18 TalkShowLout> Some shiznit for our fanz to bump all week. Fo shoo. As you can see, WE AIN'T NO JOKE. Datz right. Icey hot roll wit da best. Stop hatin in the guestbook cauze you lookz dumb as hell. We the greatest entertainers/musicians/rappers of all time.
03:18 HarlockHero> reminds me of that guy who threw rocks at my wizard's robe
03:19 TalkShowLout> why
03:20 HarlockHero> he talked like that
03:21 TalkShowLout> then
03:21 TalkShowLout> go find him
03:21 TalkShowLout> and ask him about talk show loutism
03:22 HarlockHero> hmm
03:22 HarlockHero> they probably make a lot of money
03:22 TalkShowLout> who
03:22 HarlockHero> that site is popular for being blagful
03:22 TalkShowLout> how many hits
03:22 HarlockHero> and a lot of people make parodies of it
03:22 HarlockHero> the site you're looking at
03:22 TalkShowLout> hm
03:22 TalkShowLout> where are these parodies
03:22 HarlockHero> probably several thousand a day. it gets broadcast on a lot of e/n sites
03:22 TalkShowLout> parodies might help us identify the core of it
03:23 HarlockHero> and since they have mp3s up on mp3.com
03:23 HarlockHero> anyone who downloads at least one mp3
03:23 HarlockHero> they get cash for it
03:23 HarlockHero> just go to google and type in "icy hot stuntaz"
03:24 TalkShowLout> k
03:26 HarlockHero> LordShizuma: how goes the unworld profiling bullshit?
03:30 TalkShowLout> wha?
03:31 TalkShowLout> how long does this list take to load??
03:31 TalkShowLout> it's at 26,000
03:31 HarlockHero> its done for me
03:31 HarlockHero> just now finished
03:31 HarlockHero> at 29000
03:32 TalkShowLout> k
03:32 TalkShowLout> I will tell you the rest of da thank youz in ya face mothers. As for the email's, I just deleted over 1000 emails, without reading one. Hahaha. Why do yall pencil pushin, email clickin, suckaz think we got the time to sit down and read ya pathetic little messages? We dont suckaz.
03:33 HarlockHero> http://jennyjones.warnerbros.com/
03:34 HarlockHero> quote : "I can't help who the Lord has put on this Earth for me to love."
03:35 TalkShowLout> hm
03:36 HarlockHero> http://jennyjones.warnerbros.com/cmp/geek_chic/halloffame/halloffame_fs.html
03:36 HarlockHero> makeover before and after pics
03:40 TalkShowLout> what? they look the same in each
03:40 TalkShowLout> i don't see any difference
03:40 HarlockHero> they're "more attractive" in the right frames
03:40 HarlockHero> despite being the same person
03:41 TalkShowLout> how
03:41 TalkShowLout> just clothes has changed
03:41 HarlockHero> like, their clothes and hairstyles have been altered to the unworld standards
03:41 HarlockHero> see?
03:41 TalkShowLout> hm
03:42 TalkShowLout> the bottom one looks like he just got older
03:45 TalkShowLout> we aren't getting anywhere
03:45 TalkShowLout> i think i solved the talk show lout problem anyway
03:46 TalkShowLout> it was solved years ago
03:46 TalkShowLout> false self vs. real self idea, in one of the neo-freudian psychologists
03:47 TalkShowLout> idea is that if people feel they aren't liked, they'll go to any extreme to be liked
03:47 TalkShowLout> due to never feeling adequete as themselves, so they have to constnatly remind themselves that they are worth being alive
03:47 TalkShowLout> like, look at those three fools' site
03:48 TalkShowLout> nearly every paragraph has something reassuring themselves that they have value
03:53 TalkShowLout> asleep?
03:53 HarlockHero> no
03:54 TalkShowLout> what say you
03:54 TalkShowLout> how should the gameplay go
03:55 TalkShowLout> knowing that this is the essence of talk show lout
03:55 HarlockHero> but
03:55 HarlockHero> lets say a talk show lout uses principle x (i.e - their rap group) to give themselves value
03:55 HarlockHero> and you convince them principle x is valueless
03:56 HarlockHero> wouldn't they then use the aol -> netzero principle to find something else?
03:56 TalkShowLout> yes
03:56 TalkShowLout> so you can't convince them that their values are valueless
03:56 TalkShowLout> you have to convince them that they are heroes
03:56 TalkShowLout> but first make them heroes
03:56 TalkShowLout> like, pk
03:56 TalkShowLout> pk went from fool to better
03:56 TalkShowLout> how did that happen?
03:57 HarlockHero> treating him like a hero, basically, and also giving heroic advice and counsel
03:57 HarlockHero> but
03:57 HarlockHero> he mainly got better because he "got better"
03:57 HarlockHero> in things like art
03:57 HarlockHero> which increased his sense of actual value for himself
03:58 HarlockHero> so replacing fake values with real ones?
04:00 TalkShowLout> yes
04:00 TalkShowLout> also, notice how fake selves always have to compare themselves to other selves in order to gain prestige
04:01 TalkShowLout> You the biggest sucka of all. Our page is not eligible to make money because we are signed artists. We giving you chumps free singles at our website, and you lookin so deep into it like there is a conspiracy.
04:02 TalkShowLout> it's a result of schools/sibling-rivalry
04:02 TalkShowLout> they get stuck in red
04:02 TalkShowLout> like fyre, fyre is a talk show lout!
04:02 TalkShowLout> he doesn't belong to any talk show loutish group
04:02 TalkShowLout> but the principles are the same
04:03 TalkShowLout> and charbile
04:03 TalkShowLout> he is curing fyre
04:03 TalkShowLout> by treating him as hero, making him better at game design (to an extent), etc.
04:04 TalkShowLout> so that is what we must show
04:04 TalkShowLout> we have to have fearful talk show louts, and make one (or more?) into a hero
04:04 TalkShowLout> and that one will give you the omniremote
04:04 TalkShowLout> saying that they don't need it anymore
04:04 HarlockHero> but how to do that in terms of gameplay?
04:04 TalkShowLout> easy
04:04 TalkShowLout> make a gameplay system
04:05 TalkShowLout> that has to do with how you answer questions
04:05 TalkShowLout> since the gameplay focuses on battle
04:06 TalkShowLout> we could have the talk show lout be a martial art student
04:06 TalkShowLout> and you have to train him/her
04:06 TalkShowLout> they could start out a fool
04:06 TalkShowLout> like that person you mentioned
04:06 TalkShowLout> that they said they made their own style of swordfighting, but never studied any other
04:06 TalkShowLout> nova's friend or something?
04:07 HarlockHero> yeah
04:07 TalkShowLout> you could use that idea
04:07 TalkShowLout> have them start out like that
04:07 TalkShowLout> and have them become like harlock
04:07 HarlockHero> good idea
04:07 HarlockHero> other talk show louts should try and interfere too
04:08 TalkShowLout> y
04:08 TalkShowLout> he could be in one music-type group
04:08 TalkShowLout> and they could mention other types
04:08 TalkShowLout> and he could start listening to the best of the music of the other types
04:09 TalkShowLout> and decide that music can be objectively good, and decided by his own mind
04:09 TalkShowLout> instead of the authority of the group mind
04:10 HarlockHero> the reason dennis says he's a master swordsman
04:10 HarlockHero> or a master fighter
04:10 HarlockHero> is because of dbz
04:10 HarlockHero> so it may be better to have a group obsessed with some show like that
04:10 TalkShowLout> yeah
04:14 TalkShowLout> well?
04:14 TalkShowLout> what's next?
04:14 HarlockHero> hmm
04:14 HarlockHero> next is
04:14 HarlockHero> mystic
04:15 TalkShowLout> k
04:15 TalkShowLout> should
04:15 TalkShowLout> should the goal of all of these be to cure someone of the unworld?
04:15 TalkShowLout> or would some fail?
04:16 HarlockHero> it shouldn't be so much "curing the unworld" as "gaining an understanding of the unworld"
04:16 TalkShowLout> yeah
04:16 HarlockHero> like, in some you can cure the person
04:17 HarlockHero> but in others you have to act as they would expect you to
04:17 HarlockHero> the mask of :P in other words
04:17 TalkShowLout> k
04:17 TalkShowLout> so in the mystic, what happens
04:17 TalkShowLout> should we have it like those tents?
04:18 TalkShowLout> or would religion be systematized?
04:18 TalkShowLout> a one world religion?
04:18 HarlockHero> something like unificationism probably
04:19 TalkShowLout> but for big brother?
04:19 HarlockHero> yeah
04:19 TalkShowLout> he could be like moon maybe
04:19 HarlockHero> they could maybe view bb as a kind of god-king?
04:19 TalkShowLout> yeah
04:20 TalkShowLout> better than jesus
04:20 TalkShowLout> the final leader sent down to bring them victory over satan
04:20 HarlockHero> right
04:21 TalkShowLout> so what do you have to do
04:21 TalkShowLout> and what item
04:21 TalkShowLout> a pendent, you said?
04:22 TalkShowLout> something that unites all religions?
04:22 HarlockHero> right
04:22 HarlockHero> well
04:22 TalkShowLout> and how will they get it
04:22 HarlockHero> that maybe shouldn't be the item you steal
04:22 TalkShowLout> who will have it
04:22 HarlockHero> since it would be very valuable
04:22 HarlockHero> maybe you should just have to get something like a copy of the holy book
04:22 HarlockHero> and to get it you have to become a church member
04:22 TalkShowLout> or the holy cd
04:23 TalkShowLout> dvd
04:23 HarlockHero> which involves some sort of initiation?
04:23 TalkShowLout> containing copies of all official holy books
04:26 TalkShowLout> how would the initiation work
04:26 TalkShowLout> and wouldn't they notice tilde is an elf?
04:26 HarlockHero> sort of like the trial in chrono trigger maybe
04:27 HarlockHero> they have to weigh your deeds or something
04:27 HarlockHero> it would work best to have the church be more like a monastery
04:27 HarlockHero> so you can interact with people on the way to the main hall where you take the test
04:27 HarlockHero> and the interactions would be tested
04:29 TalkShowLout> hm
04:29 TalkShowLout> how
04:29 HarlockHero> how?
04:30 TalkShowLout> y
04:30 HarlockHero> you know, like you'd have to act all churchly while going through the monastery
04:30 HarlockHero> when you enter, it can mention that you should try to be inconspicuous
04:30 TalkShowLout> that isn't too difficult
04:30 TalkShowLout> how about you have to memorize
04:30 TalkShowLout> what's in the books
04:30 TalkShowLout> like in bof2
04:33 TalkShowLout> ?
04:33 HarlockHero> maybe
04:33 HarlockHero> you're the final say in gameplay
04:33 TalkShowLout> k
04:33 TalkShowLout> next
04:33 TalkShowLout> after mystic
04:34 TalkShowLout> is what
04:34 HarlockHero> flag carrier
04:40 TalkShowLout> posters
04:40 TalkShowLout> find one putting up posters, and...?
04:40 TalkShowLout> attack him and take the poster?
04:41 HarlockHero> too savage
04:41 HarlockHero> what would a flag carrier value more than putting up a poster in praise of bb?
04:44 TalkShowLout> putting up 10 posters?
04:48 TalkShowLout> ?
04:51 TalkShowLout> ?
04:52 TalkShowLout> couldn't possibly be doing anything more important than tilde
04:52 TalkShowLout> so you must be dead
04:52 TalkShowLout> or captive
8:49 am
[rinku]
conversation between me and harlock on tilde on 8/25/02
01:59 HarlockHero> alright, so
01:59 HarlockHero> the 8 quests
01:59 RinkuHero> i was thinking that the eraser
01:59 HarlockHero> quest 1: getting something from the talk show lout
01:59 LordShiz> i'm afraid i'll be going for a little while
01:59 LordShiz> brb
01:59 RinkuHero> should also be a pencil
01:59 RinkuHero> but without a point
01:59 RinkuHero> a pencil without a point can only erae
01:59 RinkuHero> erase
01:59 RinkuHero> not draw
01:59 RinkuHero> good?
01:59 HarlockHero> yeah
01:59 RinkuHero> k, talk show lout
02:00 RinkuHero> could be some drug
02:00 RinkuHero> or some music
02:00 HarlockHero> some sort of novelty
02:00 HarlockHero> like a pop cd
02:00 RinkuHero> hypnotic music
02:00 RinkuHero> also
02:00 HarlockHero> or an item called "expensive coat" or something
02:00 RinkuHero> the essence of talk show isn't materialism though
02:00 RinkuHero> it's wanting to know what other people are doing
02:00 RinkuHero> that's what talk shows are: watching fools do stuff
02:00 RinkuHero> but never doing anything yourself
02:01 HarlockHero> a beeper?
02:01 HarlockHero> a cell phone?
02:01 RinkuHero> yeah
02:01 RinkuHero> a cell phone beeper that plays hypnotic music and injects some intoxicant
02:01 RinkuHero> or maybe just a remote control
02:01 RinkuHero> and fat cat would have something else
02:01 HarlockHero> alright
02:02 HarlockHero> an omni-remote for the talk show lout
02:02 HarlockHero> it can control tvs, radios, refrigerators, and recliner chairs
02:02 RinkuHero> car garages
02:02 RinkuHero> computers
02:02 RinkuHero> dvds
02:02 HarlockHero> right, so lots of things
02:02 RinkuHero> yep
02:02 HarlockHero> where would the talk show louts hide out?
02:02 HarlockHero> i'd say the mall, but
02:02 HarlockHero> no malls
02:02 RinkuHero> yeah
02:03 RinkuHero> but
02:03 RinkuHero> this is new canada
02:03 RinkuHero> they could still have malls
02:03 RinkuHero> but the malls would only show the stuff
02:03 RinkuHero> you couldn't actually buy anything
02:03 HarlockHero> ah, good idea
02:03 HarlockHero> so it would just be a gathering place
02:03 HarlockHero> with no purpose
02:03 RinkuHero> yep
02:03 HarlockHero> do you have to undergo any serious trials to wrest it from them?
02:04 RinkuHero> yeah
02:04 RinkuHero> we should make 'what you have to do to get the item' related to that unworld type
02:04 HarlockHero> right
02:04 RinkuHero> like, for the fatcat, you'd have to be energetic
02:04 RinkuHero> so to get the remote control
02:04 RinkuHero> you would have to not just watch others, but do stuff
02:05 HarlockHero> maybe you should have to systematically cause a group of them to break up
02:05 RinkuHero> and ignore what others are doing
02:05 HarlockHero> and then corner one of them when he's alone
02:05 RinkuHero> yeah
02:05 RinkuHero> they could travel in mob-clouds
02:05 RinkuHero> with lots of hands and arms sticking out
02:05 RinkuHero> all wearing he same clothes and such
02:06 RinkuHero> the*
02:06 RinkuHero> also
02:06 RinkuHero> there could be different types of them
02:06 RinkuHero> like, in hs
02:06 RinkuHero> they have different talk show lout types
02:06 RinkuHero> that only vary by music
02:06 RinkuHero> and each music associated with a certain type of clothes, etc.
02:07 HarlockHero> yeah
02:07 RinkuHero> a strange question i see sometimes is 'what type of music do you like?'
02:07 RinkuHero> that's sort of like asking 'what tribe are you of??'
02:08 HarlockHero> yeah
02:08 HarlockHero> although a lot of people broadcast it like you said
02:08 HarlockHero> because music groupisms dictate an entire culture
02:08 RinkuHero> yeah
02:08 HarlockHero> a seperate lexicon of slang
02:08 HarlockHero> clothing
02:08 HarlockHero> etc
02:08 RinkuHero> so we could simulate that
02:08 RinkuHero> but not use any types that exist today
02:08 RinkuHero> invent new subculture types
02:09 RinkuHero> how would you get the omni-remote, though?
02:10 HarlockHero> not sure
02:10 RinkuHero> there could be different groups of these allover the town
02:10 RinkuHero> but the mall would be their hq
02:10 HarlockHero> maybe we should actually *ask* a talk show lout
02:10 RinkuHero> yeah
02:10 HarlockHero> in a roundabout way of course
02:10 RinkuHero> also, fringe fanatic
02:10 HarlockHero> who do we know that's a talk show lout though?
02:10 RinkuHero> that's also a subtype of the talk show lout
02:11 RinkuHero> since it's japanese music and subculture
02:11 RinkuHero> let's go join some random channels
02:11 RinkuHero> look up the channel list for esper
02:11 RinkuHero> there has to be some talk-show out type
02:12 RinkuHero> 454 channels
02:13 HarlockHero> found a #jpop
02:13 RinkuHero> k
02:13 RinkuHero> join
02:13 LordShiz> hi
02:14 LordShiz> what is a "talk show" lout?
02:14 RinkuHero> scroll up and read
02:14 RinkuHero> we describe it
02:15 LordShiz> ...
02:16 LordShiz> doesn't seem like that
02:16 RinkuHero> why
02:16 RinkuHero> RinkuHero> #otakuhighschoolrpg
02:16 LordShiz> well i don't get the essence of a talkshowlout
02:17 HarlockHero> how should we go about this?
02:17 LordShiz> what is it?
02:17 RinkuHero> the essence
02:17 RinkuHero> is 1. defining yourself by your music/clothes
02:17 RinkuHero> 2. watching the world rather than doing things in it
02:18 LordShiz> isn't that a standard teenage groupism?
02:18 RinkuHero> no, there are other types of groupism besides this
02:18 LordShiz> but that one covers a broad range
02:18 RinkuHero> yes, but only for teenagers
02:18 LordShiz> and i don't think 1. is always grouped with 2.
02:18 RinkuHero> usually
02:19 RinkuHero> anyone who watches mtv or vh1 is a talk show lout
02:19 LordShiz> i see
02:19 LordShiz> well nobody in canada watched mtv or vh1
02:19 LordShiz> *watches
02:19 RinkuHero> harlock, they seem asleep too
02:20 RinkuHero> why
02:20 LordShiz> what info do you need?
02:20 LordShiz> rinku; because there is no mtv or vh1
02:21 RinkuHero> i meant harlock
02:21 LordShiz> there are the tv louts though
02:21 LordShiz> like
02:21 RinkuHero> and there must be something similar
02:21 LordShiz> they crowd the music building
02:21 RinkuHero> people who go to malls in groups
02:21 LordShiz> and screem
02:21 HarlockHero> rinku
02:21 RinkuHero> and go to places in groups
02:21 LordShiz> you mean
02:21 HarlockHero> someone just joined
02:21 HarlockHero> how should we go about this?
02:21 LordShiz> like star struck teenagers
02:21 RinkuHero> you decide
02:21 LordShiz> like the screeming backstreet boy fangirls?
02:21 RinkuHero> you are the captain
02:21 RinkuHero> yes
02:21 RinkuHero> that is one type
02:21 HarlockHero> you can't just barrage them, we have the specific goal of finding out how they guard what they value
02:21 RinkuHero> another type is anime-fanatics
02:22 LordShiz> isn't that simular?
02:22 RinkuHero> yes
02:23 RinkuHero> not only similar, but identical
02:23 RinkuHero> except for the type of music
02:24 HarlockHero> i'm just going to be straightforward in an underhanded way
02:24 HarlockHero> since you're busy with shiz
02:25 RinkuHero> hehe
02:25 RinkuHero> they're going to kick us both out
02:26 RinkuHero> i bet
02:26 RinkuHero> they can spot the strong miles away
02:26 RinkuHero> you must pretend to be :P
02:26 RinkuHero> the mask of :P!
02:27 LordShiz> what am i busy with?
02:28 HarlockHero> that was sort of an answer, rinku
02:29 HarlockHero> "when x ceases to be a comfort, abandon it for y"
02:29 HarlockHero> even if y is inferior?
02:29 RinkuHero> hm
02:29 RinkuHero> evasion, then
02:29 RinkuHero> that's their cornerstone
02:29 RinkuHero> they find things that they are scared of and instead think of something else
02:31 RinkuHero> we should change our names and go to another channel
02:31 HarlockHero> hmm
02:31 RinkuHero> so it doesn't look like a raid
02:31 HarlockHero> maybe
02:32 *** RinkuHero is now known as TalkShowLout
02:32 HarlockHero> the way to get them to relinquish the remote is by making it become a burden or a sense of adversity
02:32 LordShiz> x_x
02:32 TalkShowLout> yep, but let's look some more
02:32 *** HarlockHero is now known as WeakOfMind2393471
02:32 WeakOfMind2393471> what channel now?
02:32 LordShiz> what is up here?
02:33 TalkShowLout> rpgamer
02:33 TalkShowLout> #rpgamer
02:35 TalkShowLout> no activity
02:35 TalkShowLout> how about...
02:36 TalkShowLout> hm
02:36 TalkShowLout> nothing good
02:36 WeakOfMind2393471> i think they can sense us
02:36 WeakOfMind2393471> we always get these inactive channels
02:37 TalkShowLout> the largest one is
02:37 TalkShowLout> #finalfight
02:37 TalkShowLout> try that
02:40 TalkShowLout> this one at least seems active
02:40 TalkShowLout> not sure if they are talk show louts though
02:40 WeakOfMind2393471> say something talk show loutish
02:41 TalkShowLout> like what
02:41 WeakOfMind2393471> i don't know, something a talk show lout would say
02:41 WeakOfMind2393471> like... "man, i can't believe what happened today >:( ______________________________________________________"
02:41 WeakOfMind2393471> include something unworldly in the ___________
02:43 TalkShowLout> hm
02:43 TalkShowLout> but that would seem suspicious
02:43 TalkShowLout> talk show louts are tribal creatures
02:43 TalkShowLout> they don'tjust talk freely among the nonrecognized
02:44 WeakOfMind2393471> but
02:44 WeakOfMind2393471> how else will they recognize you as part of them?
02:44 TalkShowLout> don't know
02:44 TalkShowLout> pretend you're tooma
02:44 TalkShowLout> what would tooma do in this situation?
02:45 WeakOfMind2393471> ah
02:45 WeakOfMind2393471> he'd look at the picture and make a comment about it
02:45 WeakOfMind2393471> but what is there to say?
02:45 TalkShowLout> hehe
02:46 TalkShowLout> well, just observing may be enough
02:47 TalkShowLout> they seem to be of no common mind though
02:47 TalkShowLout> they aren't like typical talk show louts
02:47 TalkShowLout> that all say the same opinions about the same thing
02:47 TalkShowLout> they each seem to have different values
02:49 WeakOfMind2393471> hmm
02:50 TalkShowLout> and they each have different sentence patterns too
02:50 TalkShowLout> talk show louts share sentence patterns
02:50 TalkShowLout> because themselves is all they talk to
02:50 WeakOfMind2393471> we need to go to pop music channels and such
02:50 TalkShowLout> online may be a bad place to look for them, actually
02:50 WeakOfMind2393471> maybe on dalnet
02:50 TalkShowLout> since most are too lazy
02:51 WeakOfMind2393471> want to try dal?
02:51 TalkShowLout> how
02:51 * /run: unable to open 'mirc.exe'
02:51 WeakOfMind2393471> just type
02:51 TalkShowLout> type what
02:52 WeakOfMind2393471> /run c:\pathtowhatever\mirc32.exe
02:52 WeakOfMind2393471> mine is c:\mirc\mirc32.exe
02:52 WeakOfMind2393471> and it'll open a 2nd instance of mirc
02:52 WeakOfMind2393471> then connect to dal on it
02:52 TalkShowLout> k
02:52 TalkShowLout> what is a dal station
02:52 TalkShowLout> irc.dal.net?
02:52 WeakOfMind2393471> /server irc.dal.net
02:53 WeakOfMind2393471> meet me in #tilde
02:53 TalkShowLout> k
03:53 TalkShowLout> awake?
8:40 am
[rinku]
conversation between me and harlock on 10/5/02 about tilde
Rinku Hero says:
should do tilde npcs
Rinku Hero says:
and school outline
HarlockHero says:
yeahyeah
HarlockHero says:
i'll do them
Rinku Hero says:
if we don't finish tilde by xmas, it'll be your failing
HarlockHero says:
you could be working on it now with the current set of townsperson npcs as the placeholders, and it would be a very simple matter to swap the graphics later
Rinku Hero says:
no, because
Rinku Hero says:
i also need knowledge of how the school part will work
Rinku Hero says:
filled out in the design doc
Rinku Hero says:
in order to make school maps and maptiles
HarlockHero says:
several other quests come before the tiles
HarlockHero says:
er
HarlockHero says:
before the school*
HarlockHero says:
also
HarlockHero says:
you could be drawing the mall
HarlockHero says:
and the factory
HarlockHero says:
and the church/temple
Rinku Hero says:
yeah
Rinku Hero says:
but i like to know how the school and the unworld quests work
Rinku Hero says:
and to have dialogue for them
Rinku Hero says:
story precedes gameplay
Rinku Hero says:
you can't model a process if you don't know the process
HarlockHero says:
i thought we had mostly finished the unworld quests
8:34 am
[rinku]
conversation between me and harlock about tilde on 8/27/02
Rinku Hero says:
i was thinking that the theme should be the mask of , but also in how it is just a mask, and can be removed, even in the most like
Rinku Hero says:
like, each of the main parts of the game should involve the idea that a person may be unworldly outwardly, but that it is not real, and is just a group mind working through your mind
Rinku Hero says:
the main conflict in the game, disregarding characters, is the conflict of keeping the mask seperate from the self, or joining with it
Rinku Hero says:
like, in school
Rinku Hero says:
meen and neem are forced to go through the motions of school
Rinku Hero says:
like you and i were
Rinku Hero says:
but it was only an outward show, inside we were still human
Rinku Hero says:
we didn't become fused with the school nonsense, as some do
Rinku Hero says:
so the theme would be how to keep from being fused with a mask, when force is employed upon you to wear one
Rinku Hero says:
obviously if there were a choice, there would be no mask of
Rinku Hero says:
only made necessary because of the unworld's force
HarlockHero says:
yes
Rinku Hero says:
so write the school story with that in mind
Rinku Hero says:
show those that fuse with the mask, and those that don't
Rinku Hero says:
the zombies would be the ultimate fusion
HarlockHero says:
alright
HarlockHero says:
besides that, we were up to the point where antimony joins in the overall story
HarlockHero says:
what happens when he joins proper?
Rinku Hero says:
the train
Rinku Hero says:
which is good as is, almost
Rinku Hero says:
needs more atmosphere though
HarlockHero says:
we can't just have join -> train
Rinku Hero says:
more shadows, lights going on and off
HarlockHero says:
there needs to be transition
HarlockHero says:
like hugo
Rinku Hero says:
why
Rinku Hero says:
what transition
HarlockHero says:
hnn
Rinku Hero says:
training?
HarlockHero says:
let's see
HarlockHero says:
yeah
Rinku Hero says:
antimony's men could train tilde's group
HarlockHero says:
a good interlude
HarlockHero says:
but in what?
HarlockHero says:
antimony's men are as skilled as mortevold would be
HarlockHero says:
nor andre since he learned a bit from mortevold
Rinku Hero says:
you're the martial artist
HarlockHero says:
perhaps the interlude could be on not only learning to fight
HarlockHero says:
but also the realization that they'll need masks to get to the north
HarlockHero says:
so you would have to form strategies somehow
Rinku Hero says:
how
HarlockHero says:
don't know
HarlockHero says:
but there should be something about the scene relating to masks
Rinku Hero says:
maybe...
Rinku Hero says:
andre wants to build 3 more masks
Rinku Hero says:
for antimony, mortevold, and himself
Rinku Hero says:
and you need to gather the materials
Rinku Hero says:
idle enough?
Rinku Hero says:
or calm?
HarlockHero says:
but that sort of breaks down the targetting gameplay, right?
HarlockHero says:
since tilde w/ mask is the one who leads
Rinku Hero says:
so no masks then
Rinku Hero says:
what other calm have you in mind?
Rinku Hero says:
how about
Rinku Hero says:
they get on the train
Rinku Hero says:
and for awhile they talk
Rinku Hero says:
and talk to passengers
Rinku Hero says:
with no trouble till they get near the north pole
Rinku Hero says:
that'll be calm
HarlockHero says:
that's good too, but i think we need to do something with andre's group
HarlockHero says:
as it is, they're not even seen
HarlockHero says:
you just hear about them, then they die
Rinku Hero says:
andre's group?
Rinku Hero says:
or antimony's?
HarlockHero says:
oh
HarlockHero says:
antimony's
Rinku Hero says:
k
Rinku Hero says:
but they aren't that important
Rinku Hero says:
well
Rinku Hero says:
they do show that the mask has a healty state
Rinku Hero says:
heathy
Rinku Hero says:
healthy
HarlockHero says:
how so?
Rinku Hero says:
because, they would be like the heroists
Rinku Hero says:
but
Rinku Hero says:
they would also be normal people
Rinku Hero says:
pretending to be fools of
Rinku Hero says:
but come down to the sewers once in awhile to help
Rinku Hero says:
and you might even meet their alter identities
Rinku Hero says:
like, maybe they could be scattered all about the town
HarlockHero says:
ah, a good idea
Rinku Hero says:
you never know when a citizen who you think is a fool is really an antimony
HarlockHero says:
very good
HarlockHero says:
when first perusing the town
HarlockHero says:
you can encounter some of them
HarlockHero says:
but there should be some subtle way for heroes to recognize the difference
HarlockHero says:
or even failing that
HarlockHero says:
you could have like
HarlockHero says:
some guy in the sewers is building a heroic machine
HarlockHero says:
with parts he stole from his factory job
HarlockHero says:
and if you talked to him in the factory, it can show a quick flashback of it
HarlockHero says:
etc etc
Rinku Hero says:
yeah
Rinku Hero says:
perhaps one of the schoolteachers
Rinku Hero says:
like that guy who drove you to the mental institution
Rinku Hero says:
who said he had to keep 'a low profile'
HarlockHero says:
yeah
HarlockHero says:
okay, that's good
HarlockHero says:
that will give them importance
HarlockHero says:
and inspire hope for their success in the players
HarlockHero says:
then we'll do the talking to passengers calm
HarlockHero says:
which is needed anyway
HarlockHero says:
to up the atmospheric wa of the train ride
HarlockHero says:
and to make it more O_O!!!! when caduceus finally appears over the speakers
HarlockHero says:
i think the train ride should be totally silent too except for a bam simulating a train noise
HarlockHero says:
such a decision will add tension to the scene's calm part
HarlockHero says:
of course, there will be music once the chase starts
Rinku Hero says:
k
Rinku Hero says:
the shiz part, okay as is?
Rinku Hero says:
did i even write the shiz part yet?
HarlockHero says:
going too fast
HarlockHero says:
we need to decide what happens once cad appears, and work slowly from there to the end, since we're now going to make the end tragic
Rinku Hero says:
is mortevold going to stay on the train?
Rinku Hero says:
to fight caduceus?
Rinku Hero says:
to make up for his errors of the past?
Rinku Hero says:
i was thinking mortevold could be like
Rinku Hero says:
someone who says 'if only i had acted with more zig in my youth!'
Rinku Hero says:
'3 days! only 3 days more!'
HarlockHero says:
i think its better to have him deal with the confrontation and survive, but then make that decision at the end in a '3 days more!!" type scene before he runs out of the castle to hold off the 255 npc army
Rinku Hero says:
hm
Rinku Hero says:
maybe
HarlockHero says:
also, he would know caduceus would be there
Rinku Hero says:
caduceus is like his arch-enemy though
Rinku Hero says:
yeah
Rinku Hero says:
we could show the beginning of the battle with him
Rinku Hero says:
but not the end
HarlockHero says:
right
HarlockHero says:
ideally he'd go out and fight off the first wave of soldiers
HarlockHero says:
like 20 or 30
Rinku Hero says:
yeah
HarlockHero says:
and then enter combat with caduceus
Rinku Hero says:
and could show the elves shooting arrows out the windo
Rinku Hero says:
window
Rinku Hero says:
and tilde starting to lead a charge
Rinku Hero says:
with a group of elves w/ toys of war
Rinku Hero says:
anyway, to shiz
Rinku Hero says:
is the shiz part written?
Rinku Hero says:
also, i was thinking we should rename shiz
Rinku Hero says:
and the forest of the second hand should now be the forest of the shared root
Rinku Hero says:
could just call shiz the penguin lord
Rinku Hero says:
and remove the whitehead name
Rinku Hero says:
so it's more fictional
HarlockHero says:
right
HarlockHero says:
okay, the shiz part
HarlockHero says:
how will it come into knowing that he is meen and neem's uncle?
Rinku Hero says:
don't know
Rinku Hero says:
they could mention it
Rinku Hero says:
before meen and neem depart
Rinku Hero says:
they could ask to go to the north pole
Rinku Hero says:
and tilde could refuse, since they are young
Rinku Hero says:
but they could give advice on shiz
Rinku Hero says:
also, the penguin lord's essence should be someone who values lesser values more than greater ones
Rinku Hero says:
like, he only helps santa because if not, his penguins would be killed
Rinku Hero says:
so he values the penguins more than meen and neem and the rest of the world, etc.
HarlockHero says:
ah, yeah
HarlockHero says:
a good idea
HarlockHero says:
so he was a zoologist or something?
HarlockHero says:
....... what?
HarlockHero says:
i just went to get dinner, and i came back and sat it down on my desk. i just now lifted it and under it is a namecard like the kind students order for graduation announcements
HarlockHero says:
but it wasn't on my desk before i got the food
HarlockHero says:
its "vanessa cardona", my school, my graduating class
Rinku Hero says:
??
HarlockHero says:
don't know, anyway
HarlockHero says:
but you're overlooking a scene before shiz
HarlockHero says:
the swerds/swards
HarlockHero says:
the animalistic ones, not the humanoid ones
HarlockHero says:
how are they fought/beaten?
Rinku Hero says:
i forget
Rinku Hero says:
but it was in the gameplay
Rinku Hero says:
something like...
Rinku Hero says:
yeah, that's it
Rinku Hero says:
you just have to stand there and withstand their attack
Rinku Hero says:
and they run out of mp after awhile
Rinku Hero says:
and can be killed easily
Rinku Hero says:
but if you hit them
Rinku Hero says:
before they run out of mp
Rinku Hero says:
they gain more mp and become even stronger
Rinku Hero says:
so the idea is that you have to bear evil, wait for the correct moment, then strike after it exhausts itself
Rinku Hero says:
and not give it fuel by hitting it a little until it's time
HarlockHero says:
alright
HarlockHero says:
there should be clues to that, of course
Rinku Hero says:
yes
Rinku Hero says:
okay, after that is shiz
Rinku Hero says:
and he clings to his penguins and dies for it
Rinku Hero says:
the way to kill him, gameplay wise, is to kill the penguins
Rinku Hero says:
he'll give up lots of hp to heal them
HarlockHero says:
(;_
Rinku Hero says:
like, he could have 10000 hp
Rinku Hero says:
and he uses 1000 hp to heal a penguin 100 hp
Rinku Hero says:
or to revive one
Rinku Hero says:
when it's weak
HarlockHero says:
okay
HarlockHero says:
you can figure out the logistics of how to make that work in the engine
HarlockHero says:
what will happen when he dies?
HarlockHero says:
we should show though, how the penguins are sort of a worthless value and that he gets nothing in return from them
HarlockHero says:
maybe we can have the penguins eat his body when he dies ^_^
HarlockHero says:
what do you think?
Rinku Hero says:
yeah
Rinku Hero says:
also they should do a lot less damage than him in battle
Rinku Hero says:
be useless as far as the battle is concerned
HarlockHero says:
yeah
HarlockHero says:
alright, ninjelves assault you on the way to the castle
HarlockHero says:
as well as snowmen
Rinku Hero says:
yes
HarlockHero says:
what is the nature of those scenes?
Rinku Hero says:
nothing yet
Rinku Hero says:
just they see you and attack
HarlockHero says:
snowmen we decided are there to show what again?
HarlockHero says:
the efforts of community over individual?
Rinku Hero says:
sort of
Rinku Hero says:
they aren't important enemies though
Rinku Hero says:
just things that patrol the borders
HarlockHero says:
alright
HarlockHero says:
ninjelves should be able to be avoided
HarlockHero says:
by watching their dash patterns
Rinku Hero says:
yeah
Rinku Hero says:
haha
HarlockHero says:
some fool added you to their friends list
HarlockHero says:
commented in your journal to tell you that
Rinku Hero says:
?
HarlockHero says:
and i read their lj, and it said they used to have a samurai lj
HarlockHero says:
so i was like "oh boy, an lj for samurai!!!"
HarlockHero says:
then i went there and was broken-hearted
Rinku Hero says:
hehe
HarlockHero says:
alright, so after those defenses, anything left before the castle proper?
HarlockHero says:
don't you fight rudolph + reindeer right before entering the castle?
HarlockHero says:
i think so
Rinku Hero says:
yes
Rinku Hero says:
they merge
Rinku Hero says:
perhaps we could show them merge via npcs
HarlockHero says:
that's the worst enemy graphic because we were pressed for time
HarlockHero says:
i'm going to make a new one
HarlockHero says:
of a huge grotesque mass
Rinku Hero says:
k
HarlockHero says:
full of snarling heads and twitching limbs and gibbering... antlers.....
Rinku Hero says:
k
Rinku Hero says:
next, the workshop
Rinku Hero says:
the main part of that is getting the elves to your side
Rinku Hero says:
including eleven seeing the metaelves
HarlockHero says:
you progress through it by means of the timed-doors, right?
Rinku Hero says:
yes
HarlockHero says:
alright, so the objective of it is what?
HarlockHero says:
to get x number of elves to join you to aid in the progression through the castle, and to meet eleven and let andre take him to the meta elves
HarlockHero says:
what happens in the meta elf chamber?
Rinku Hero says:
the meta elf chapter
Rinku Hero says:
is about eleven and the other elves seeing the true nature of how elves are made
Rinku Hero says:
and thereby realizing that they are fools to obey santa
HarlockHero says:
how are the elves made again?
Rinku Hero says:
also, there should be some kind of elf override chip
Rinku Hero says:
that santa can use to control elves
Rinku Hero says:
but he can only use it one at a time, or a few at a time
Rinku Hero says:
so he stops tilde and andre during battle (0 speed)
Rinku Hero says:
but then the other elves come and save you
Rinku Hero says:
and since he can't control so many at once, the hold on andre/tilde breaks
Rinku Hero says:
the elves are made in vats
Rinku Hero says:
perhaps like nanotech
HarlockHero says:
the metaelves serve what purpose?
HarlockHero says:
i have forgotten
Rinku Hero says:
not sure
Rinku Hero says:
i'd have to reread it
Rinku Hero says:
go check what i have written in it
HarlockHero says:
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
also
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
we should integrate christmas stories into the game
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
mention scrooge
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
and rudolph
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
and frosty the snow man
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
and other christmas type things
Rinku Hero says:
hm
Rinku Hero says:
good ideas... but... how?
Rinku Hero says:
we can probably add indirect references easily
HarlockHero says:
yeah
Rinku Hero says:
like, a capitalist named scrooge
Rinku Hero says:
who is a part of antimony's group
Rinku Hero says:
and perhaps the snowmen could look like frosty
Rinku Hero says:
have top hats
HarlockHero says:
the idea behind it was, of course, to show that the entirety of christmas and the 'christmas spirit" is a conspiracy by blaggenthorg
Rinku Hero says:
yes
Rinku Hero says:
what other xmas stories should we rain justice upon?
HarlockHero says:
hmm
HarlockHero says:
rudolph, frosty, santa
HarlockHero says:
scrooge
HarlockHero says:
other icons you can think of?
HarlockHero says:
well
HarlockHero says:
there's jesus
HarlockHero says:
but, heh....
Rinku Hero says:
hehe
Rinku Hero says:
doesn't count
HarlockHero says:
right
Rinku Hero says:
research the history of the xmas holiday
Rinku Hero says:
not christianity, but the holiday and what it is associated with
Rinku Hero says:
we would find more ideas there
HarlockHero says:
alright, you start doing that, while i continue searching for the bit about the metaelves
HarlockHero says:
then i'll assist you
HarlockHero says:
no mention of them in there
Rinku Hero says:
hm
Rinku Hero says:
the idea was that eleven would chase you down some passages
Rinku Hero says:
see the meta-elves
Rinku Hero says:
finally realize that what you were telling him was right
Rinku Hero says:
the meta-elves would attack
Rinku Hero says:
he would defend you and die
HarlockHero says:
oh yeah
HarlockHero says:
that's right
HarlockHero says:
the meta-elves purpose was to manufacture slave elfs i think
HarlockHero says:
not much more
Rinku Hero says:
yeah
Rinku Hero says:
they were blue
Rinku Hero says:
and had yellow eyes
HarlockHero says:
so after that
HarlockHero says:
you reach santa?
HarlockHero says:
or was there more?
Rinku Hero says:
i think that's it
Rinku Hero says:
should we have a ms. claus?
HarlockHero says:
no
HarlockHero says:
don't see any reason for it
Rinku Hero says:
yeah
Rinku Hero says:
should we keep the posters?
Rinku Hero says:
of &and, heretic, ergin
Rinku Hero says:
or should we leave them till the end or before the beginning?
Rinku Hero says:
to maintain the illusion of fiction?
HarlockHero says:
hmm
HarlockHero says:
the *concept* of it is good
HarlockHero says:
but we could maybe alter the execution a bit
Rinku Hero says:
how
HarlockHero says:
hmm
HarlockHero says:
we can have a list of orders on a desk or something somewhere
HarlockHero says:
with things like "dangerous actions to be monitored"
HarlockHero says:
and have a listing of things on it like "heretic, fake title, fake title, ergintandal, fake title, fake title, etc.", and then some mention of how the campaign to destroy "fake title" was successful and the potential author has been institutionalized
Rinku Hero says:
hm
Rinku Hero says:
but no posters?
Rinku Hero says:
we could still have them pre or post game
Rinku Hero says:
like some games advertise other games within them
HarlockHero says:
if it can be fit in without being too intrusive, then yes
Rinku Hero says:
but as a selection from the main menu
HarlockHero says:
yeah
HarlockHero says:
like dvd extras
Rinku Hero says:
yep
Rinku Hero says:
we should also include an instruction manual
Rinku Hero says:
with design drawings in full color
Rinku Hero says:
and the design doc notes
Rinku Hero says:
and a 'forward'
Rinku Hero says:
like rand wrote for the fountainhead
HarlockHero says:
hrmm, it would be best to have something like
HarlockHero says:
an .exe
HarlockHero says:
with a menu that pops up
Rinku Hero says:
yeah, we could do that
HarlockHero says:
and you can choose "play the game", "design notes", "concept art", "trailers", etc.
Rinku Hero says:
do you know any programming to do that in?
HarlockHero says:
not i
HarlockHero says:
qbasic, but the graphical resolution isn't really good for showing off concept art
Rinku Hero says:
hehe
Rinku Hero says:
we can use game maker then
Rinku Hero says:
it allows running of other programs
HarlockHero says:
ah, yeah, good idea
Rinku Hero says:
might even include a mini-game in game maker
Rinku Hero says:
with a top score thing
Rinku Hero says:
somehow relating to tilde
Rinku Hero says:
maybe a clone of space invaders, with unworld soldiers marching down
HarlockHero says:
yeah
HarlockHero says:
easy enough to do
HarlockHero says:
alright, so the group enters santa's chamber
HarlockHero says:
santa talks about doom and devestation and the hopelessness of individualism
HarlockHero says:
then what?
HarlockHero says:
the first battle
HarlockHero says:
he weilds his power and uses it to stop tilde and andre
Rinku Hero says:
the elves rush in and defeat him
HarlockHero says:
but then the battle ends after morte and anti harm him enough, and the other elves run in
Rinku Hero says:
then he flees
HarlockHero says:
tilde and andre can move again, and the battle restarts, this time with sparking machine santa?
Rinku Hero says:
and we give chance
Rinku Hero says:
yeah
Rinku Hero says:
with rocket launchers and etc.
HarlockHero says:
okay, so he's beaten, and then the dialogue with andre
HarlockHero says:
about wanting to be in the world, not apart from it
HarlockHero says:
then he malfunctions and dies
HarlockHero says:
and antimony brings up the concept that 2 befouled xmases in a row is going to arouse serious suspicion
HarlockHero says:
and tilde makes a speech to the elves that they must take up arms against the coming threat
HarlockHero says:
then what?
Rinku Hero says:
then they get the letter
Rinku Hero says:
about meen and neem
HarlockHero says:
from who?
Rinku Hero says:
strand
HarlockHero says:
from strand, yes
HarlockHero says:
but how do they get it, i mean
Rinku Hero says:
this is all unplayable after santa
Rinku Hero says:
a puff of smoke
Rinku Hero says:
or maybe it could crawl out of the wall
HarlockHero says:
should he actually appear?
Rinku Hero says:
maybe
HarlockHero says:
maybe some weird shadowy spider thing should crawl out of a puff of smoke to deliver it
HarlockHero says:
then just fades away
HarlockHero says:
like the ICO enemies
Rinku Hero says:
oh, that reminds me
Rinku Hero says:
ico 2 is being made
Rinku Hero says:
and this time they go out into the world, not just the castle
HarlockHero says:
that's good
Rinku Hero says:
or maybe the letter can be found within santa
Rinku Hero says:
after he does
Rinku Hero says:
dies
Rinku Hero says:
as if strand knew this day would come
Rinku Hero says:
or prepared for it a day in advance or something
HarlockHero says:
no because santa has been around way before meen, neem, tilde, or anyone else referenced in it
Rinku Hero says:
k
HarlockHero says:
ah
HarlockHero says:
an elf could run in bleeding and wounded
HarlockHero says:
and when they ask, he could say "i was keeping guard and a man appeared... gave me this"
HarlockHero says:
and briefly describe strand, then say that he tried to detain him or something, but was struck down
Rinku Hero says:
no, because wounding after the final wounding would be anticlimatic
Rinku Hero says:
not bleeding and wounded, but shaken would be beter
Rinku Hero says:
better
Rinku Hero says:
unharmed
HarlockHero says:
yeah
HarlockHero says:
right
HarlockHero says:
he can say something like
HarlockHero says:
"he... he laughs like a dead person"
HarlockHero says:
and then have to go lie down
HarlockHero says:
but anyway, they get the letter
HarlockHero says:
who shall read it aloud?
Rinku Hero says:
don't know
Rinku Hero says:
could just be shown graphically
Rinku Hero says:
with bg's
HarlockHero says:
well, either way, the strongest reaction to the letter will be mortevold
Rinku Hero says:
why
HarlockHero says:
because of meen and neem
HarlockHero says:
and how he failed to protect them by allowing evil to exist as long as he did
Rinku Hero says:
ah
Rinku Hero says:
yes, after the letter, he could go into '2 more days!' mode
Rinku Hero says:
you should write that
Rinku Hero says:
since it was your invention
HarlockHero says:
okay
Rinku Hero says:
k, then after that the attack
HarlockHero says:
then the elf lookouts spy the army approaching
Rinku Hero says:
brb
HarlockHero says:
strand should mention something about them in the letter perhaps. that he's found andre's toy "most amusing" and has a surprise in store for them all
Rinku Hero says:
k, back
Rinku Hero says:
good idea
Rinku Hero says:
also, antimony should already know that the mission will probably end up like that
Rinku Hero says:
but still agrees to do it for its inspirational value
Rinku Hero says:
since it'll get people all across the world to see heroism in action
Rinku Hero says:
since it would be hard to hide santa being destroyed and the elves rebelling
HarlockHero says:
right
Rinku Hero says:
so it's tragic, but not tragic like 1984
Rinku Hero says:
since there is still a chance that greater heroes will emerge
Rinku Hero says:
so, they should broadcast this
HarlockHero says:
so caduceus is shown outside with the first wave of the unworld army. mortevold makes up his mind, goes outside and defeats 20 or 30 soldiers, then stands off against caduceus, and says something like the heroes in ff6 say at the end, then they begin to fight, and it cuts back to the castle
Rinku Hero says:
like, make a tape of it somehow
Rinku Hero says:
and put it on worldwide tv
HarlockHero says:
yeah
HarlockHero says:
that's a good idea too
Rinku Hero says:
that could be shown after the unworld army destroys them
Rinku Hero says:
have antimony transmit it somehow
Rinku Hero says:
like, it would show just before the battle
Rinku Hero says:
then it would go dark
Rinku Hero says:
and say '3 weeks later'
Rinku Hero says:
and then show people watching tv and this would appear
Rinku Hero says:
and show some of the people in new canada who you helped seeing it
Rinku Hero says:
like that martial artist
HarlockHero says:
yeah, great idea
Rinku Hero says:
okay, that's about it for story
Rinku Hero says:
except we need to finish the 8 quests
HarlockHero says:
well, no we need to iron out the end
HarlockHero says:
what is tilde and the rest doing when mortevold fights off the first wave?
HarlockHero says:
are*
HarlockHero says:
it would cut back to the castle, and they would see more waves of soldiers approaching from other sides
HarlockHero says:
and tilde could lead groups of armed elves out against them
HarlockHero says:
while most elves use arrows from the castle
Rinku Hero says:
yeah
Rinku Hero says:
and catapults
HarlockHero says:
some impossible odds, though, like tilde + 10 vs. a huge number of soldiers
Rinku Hero says:
yeah
HarlockHero says:
antimony can talk about how this isn't total defeat
HarlockHero says:
and ask andre's assistance in building a transmitter
Rinku Hero says:
yeah
Rinku Hero says:
or
HarlockHero says:
out of the parts of santa?
Rinku Hero says:
give the tape to andre
Rinku Hero says:
and tell him to escape with it
Rinku Hero says:
wouldn't mention that it's a tape
Rinku Hero says:
just say 'take this'
HarlockHero says:
how does he make the tape?
Rinku Hero says:
via the workshop's camera's
Rinku Hero says:
which are always on
Rinku Hero says:
he could have been editing it during the few days before the army arrived
Rinku Hero says:
and give a speech at the end of it
Rinku Hero says:
like galt's speeche
Rinku Hero says:
although it would be from a dead person
HarlockHero says:
oh, so he'd say "i thought it might come to this, so i've been preparing something. escape with this"?
Rinku Hero says:
yeah
HarlockHero says:
but how would it contain scenes of the army's attack?
Rinku Hero says:
probably wouldn't
Rinku Hero says:
but would show the letter
Rinku Hero says:
and mention that 'even now, they are at the gates!'
Rinku Hero says:
also, since the mask makes one invisible
Rinku Hero says:
andre could take the mask and escape with it
Rinku Hero says:
or we could have it be tilde
HarlockHero says:
ah, right
Rinku Hero says:
but then it would need to be gameplayable
HarlockHero says:
better to have andre escape i think
HarlockHero says:
he can say something like "hopefully, this will be the last time such a device is needed" when he dons it to escape
Rinku Hero says:
yeah
HarlockHero says:
so this leaves all the characters with "uncertain-fates-that-are-more-than-likely-death"
HarlockHero says:
mortevold vs caduceus, tilde and a handful of elves vs huge numbers of soldiers, antimony as the sole general against them all
HarlockHero says:
but you don't actually witness any of them dying i guess
HarlockHero says:
so the epilogue says "three weeks later"
HarlockHero says:
then it can show a tv talking about some made-up story regarding the large number of people who disappeared suddenly during a train trip
HarlockHero says:
it can be propagandic and blame it on something other than what really happened (the swards of course)
Rinku Hero says:
yep
HarlockHero says:
then the broadcast will be interrupted with antimony's video
Rinku Hero says:
and it could say that xmas will be delayed this year
Rinku Hero says:
due to routine renovations
Rinku Hero says:
and at that point it would be interrupted
HarlockHero says:
all throughout antimony talking, it should show scenes of the people you helped getting ready to take action
HarlockHero says:
wordlessly, but directed in such a way as to know what's happening
HarlockHero says:
if you see what i mean
Rinku Hero says:
yep
Rinku Hero says:
should you help one person in each quest?
Rinku Hero says:
and that person gives you the unworld item?
Rinku Hero says:
that they no longer need?
HarlockHero says:
yeah
HarlockHero says:
near the end of the speech, it can perhaps show andre somewhere?
Rinku Hero says:
each of those characters could have a heroism meter
HarlockHero says:
what would be be his most logical course of action at that point?
Rinku Hero says:
and every action you take regarding them adds or subtracts from it
Rinku Hero says:
and when it reaches a certain level, they give you the item
Rinku Hero says:
you'd have to find the homes of each one
Rinku Hero says:
no need to show andre, i think
Rinku Hero says:
just show an image of the world
Rinku Hero says:
and some final narration like 'they have begin to take off their masks all over the world'
8:05 am
[rinku]
conversation w/ harlock on 1/10/02 about tilde
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
a hero can accomplish much even when he doesn't feel like it
Harlock Hero says:
then why isn't tilde done?
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
because it can't be done
Harlock Hero says:
explain
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
that's like gandalf asking gimli 'why is the ring still here? smash it with your axe!!'
Harlock Hero says:
no it isn't
Harlock Hero says:
i cast "besoften" on the ring for you. now smash it!
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
that won't help
Harlock Hero says:
why can't it be done
Harlock Hero says:
explain
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
it can be done, but not until i know what happens in the school
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
i still only have a fuzzy idea of it
Harlock Hero says:
then don't include it
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
you didn't send me the txt file of your suggestions
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
but it's necessary
Harlock Hero says:
its not essential
Harlock Hero says:
school needs a whole game
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
we must show the thematic analogy of the school and the elf workshop
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
yes, but this will be an introduction to that game
Harlock Hero says:
alright
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
our 'first try' at attacking the education system
Harlock Hero says:
tell me the riddle
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
we show that school is bad, but don't show the alternatives
Harlock Hero says:
i will supply the answer
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
the riddle is...
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
'find the cause of the world in which nearly everyone in these blue houses lives in'
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
rephrase it
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
to make it sound better
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
and the answer is 'school'
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
so tilde has to go to school and bring back some proof that he was there
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
maybe a textbook?
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
although textbooks in themselves are not that bad
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
it's what is done w/ them in the school that is
Harlock Hero says:
no no no
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
so a better symbol needs
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
...?
Harlock Hero says:
the whipping cane of the schoolmaster
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
alright
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
good
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
now rephrase the riddle
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
and tell me the other two riddles again
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
and give me the txt file of your suggestions about the school
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
which you should have saved
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
i didn't log that conversation
Harlock Hero says:
the first riddle is
Harlock Hero says:
"If you don't kill me before you go to bed, when you wake up, I'll be dead"
Harlock Hero says:
candle
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
yes
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
the second riddle is free trade
Harlock Hero says:
"what turns the young into the old, blackens thoughts and causes mold?" or something
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
but how to phrase it?
Harlock Hero says:
for school
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
hm
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
that phrasing is worse than mine, fool
Harlock Hero says:
heh
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
'mold and old'
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
till generic
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
too*
Harlock Hero says:
mayhap
Harlock Hero says:
what clouds the mind and rots the brain, transmutes thinking into pain / dull the senses, blinds the eyes, .....
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
and school
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
no clouds and no rots
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
use euphamisms of those words
Harlock Hero says:
no clouds? no rots?
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
'becloud' and 'rot' are propagandic
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
use more objective terms
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
without emotion
Harlock Hero says:
they are?
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
yes
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
an unworld person does not have a clouded mind
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
they are as sure as we are of what they need to do
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
the fully dogmatic ones, i mean
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
cult leaders
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
cult soldiers
Harlock Hero says:
but their vision is beclouded
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
it isn't
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
clouded means confused
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
they aren't confused, it's just that their model is incorrect
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
and not in tune with reality
Harlock Hero says:
clouded means 'not able to be seen through clearly'
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
they can clearly see their illusionary world they have created
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
just as we can clearly see our world that is less illusionary
Harlock Hero says:
yes, its their sight of the real world that's beclouded
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
yes, so say it that way
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
'weaved cloud'
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
something like that
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
'the blanket of the weaved cloud'
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
'a blanket weaved from cloud string'
Harlock Hero says:
woven
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
beweaven
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
conglomerated
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
corporated
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
corporated is good, emphasizes corporations
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
which are selfless in their profit seeking
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
what corporated this blanket out of cloud thread, and rots the brain
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
now we need to redo 'and rots the brain'
Harlock Hero says:
the riddle itself is befogged now
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
is not
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
it's just symbolic
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
like lotr
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
and harry potter, for that matter
Harlock Hero says:
atrophies the lens of thought
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
like that part about chocolate
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
athrophie is a hackneyed word
Harlock Hero says:
atrophy
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
yeah
Harlock Hero says:
and i've heard atrophy like 10 times in my life
Harlock Hero says:
one of them being in ffx
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
i've heard it like 2432
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
it's in a lot of bad poetry
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
is there a verb for haggard?
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
haggardizes?
Harlock Hero says:
nothing wrong with the word itself though
Harlock Hero says:
enfeebles
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
haggards the lens of thought?
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
check if haggard is a verb
Harlock Hero says:
its not
Harlock Hero says:
but use it as one
Harlock Hero says:
its descriptive enough
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
k
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
clouds the mind and rots the brain, transmutes thinking into pain / dull the senses, blinds the eyes, .....
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
transmuts thinking into pain
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
should emphasize that life becomes less fun
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
and the feeling that life should be fun is gone
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
how to put that in?
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
well?
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
you're the wordsmeister
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
or should i ask j'sang?
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
it thought you said that you are better in wordsmithing than he
Harlock Hero says:
i am
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
then speak!
Harlock Hero says:
but i've never tried to intentionally becloud something
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
it isn't beclouding, it's beclearing
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
because we're putting more information than it would otherwise have
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
'transmutes thoughts into pain' says nothing
Harlock Hero says:
but you're presenting it in a cloudy manner
Harlock Hero says:
but no matter, its riddleish
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
how?
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
doesn't seem cloudy to me
Harlock Hero says:
"corporates the blanket beweaved of cloud strings"
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
yes
Harlock Hero says:
"clouds vision"
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
people assosiate blanket with illusion
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
weaving with making
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
cloud with confusion
Harlock Hero says:
i do, you do, but not "people"
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
and corportate w/ corporations
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
...incorrect
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
anyone literate does
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
literate in english, anyway
Harlock Hero says:
we'll see
Harlock Hero says:
i bet you 12 rubles that someone starts a thread asking how to solve the second riddle
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
chains is better than strings
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
cloud chains
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
to empasize capture
Harlock Hero says:
chains are too forceful
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
binds
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
ropes
Harlock Hero says:
that's why its a cloud
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
shackles
Harlock Hero says:
if its chains, might as well have a wall, not a cloud
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
but wall isn't assocated w/ confusion
Harlock Hero says:
neither is cloud
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
no other word means 'confusion' in the way that cloud does
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
is so
Harlock Hero says:
fog
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
yes
Harlock Hero says:
smear
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
no
Harlock Hero says:
yes
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
fog is physical
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
smear is a smudge
Harlock Hero says:
besmeared indicates confusion
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
you can't look at a smear
Harlock Hero says:
!?
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
you can' visualize smear in the way you can visualize fog
Harlock Hero says:
i'm looking at smears now
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
not everyone encounters smears in their life
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
they do, but they don't name them
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
but when a child sees fog
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
it's like...
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
fog! fog! fog!
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
when it sees a smear
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
it doesn't even take note
Harlock Hero says:
fine, fine
Harlock Hero says:
12 rubles, then
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
fog chains
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
fog binds
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
fog shackles
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
fog blinds
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
fog sunglasses
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
fog blindfolds
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
fog mask
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
but mask is too tildish
Harlock Hero says:
the alchemist of shackles, the anti-cupid and reaper's supplier
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
can't re refer
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
cupid itself is unworldish
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
anticupid could be good or bad
Harlock Hero says:
yeah, but cupid brings to mind the concept of "liking"
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
but it's too greek
Harlock Hero says:
anti-cupid spreads misanthropy and depression
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
poetry w/ greek symbols is too elitist
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
because not everyone knows the greek myths
Harlock Hero says:
everyone knows cupid
Harlock Hero says:
because of valentine's day
Harlock Hero says:
even though the two are unrelated
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
what is the reaper's weapon called again?
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
schythe?
Harlock Hero says:
scythe
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
the reaper's scythesmith
Harlock Hero says:
good
Harlock Hero says:
what is "seed" related to?
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
SeeD
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
pea
Harlock Hero says:
i figured you'd mention SeeD
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
hehe
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
egg
Harlock Hero says:
my relating-of-words-to-concepts must be weird
Harlock Hero says:
seed brings to mind life for me
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
that's just unworld association
Harlock Hero says:
unworld?
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
environmentalist propaganda
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
'seeds are life! life is seeds!'
Harlock Hero says:
right-o *cough*
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
'mother nature!!'
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
'we love mother nature and all her trees!'
Harlock Hero says:
seeds are self-spreading, lout, and come in more varieties than "plant seeds"
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
there's likely to be a mother nature religion soon enough
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
if there isn't one already
Harlock Hero says:
there already is
Harlock Hero says:
its called gaiaism
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
but i mean with a church
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
and preachers
Harlock Hero says:
don't you know anything?
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
i don't
Harlock Hero says:
there is a church of gaia
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
hm
Harlock Hero says:
not very popular though
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
there is also a star wars religion
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
jedism
Harlock Hero says:
yeah, but no one takes that seriously
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
or jediism
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
jediism > mother naturism
Harlock Hero says:
the jedi code is basically chivalry
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
chivalry is almost bushido
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
except without the holding of the lady's hat
Harlock Hero says:
bushido is mostly foolishness
Harlock Hero says:
its a philosophy of extremes
Harlock Hero says:
its concepts are either great or terrible
Harlock Hero says:
no good or bad
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
what is a terrible one?
Harlock Hero says:
suicide for dishonoring your lord
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
that isn't ronin bushido
Harlock Hero says:
ronin bushido is almost all good
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
you should form a new religion called ronin bushido
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
wave swept warriorism
Harlock Hero says:
wave swept?
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
ronin means wave swept, last i heard
Harlock Hero says:
wave men
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
but that's too anti-female
Harlock Hero says:
japan is anti-female
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
is not
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
the first novel writer was female
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
and look at females in anime
Harlock Hero says:
yes but they have the same "symbolic" besmiting of females as we do
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
much more heroic than typical females in american movies
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
yes, but only culturally
Harlock Hero says:
traditional female kimonos are worse than high heels
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
but not in their best art
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
in most japanese videogames, there is no antifemaleness
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
showing that it's just traditional
Harlock Hero says:
yes, but i'm referring to feudal japan
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
it isn't part of the wa of today
Harlock Hero says:
from which the word "ronin" came
Harlock Hero says:
which sparked the discussion
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
but words don't frooze with ice power meaning
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
'human nature' is not froozen into 'evil'
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
'selflessness' is not froozen into 'good'
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
but we're getting off track
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
reiterate the riddles
Harlock Hero says:
ronin uses the characters for wave and person
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
yes
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
does the nin in ninja mean person?
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
or is that a different kanji?
Harlock Hero says:
different kanji
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
reiterate
Harlock Hero says:
1st riddle: candle
Harlock Hero says:
2nd riddle is no longer fair trade i guess
Harlock Hero says:
but is instead school
Harlock Hero says:
"what corporates the blanket beweaved of cloud strings, haggards the lens of thought, the alchemist of shackles, anti-cupid and reaper's scythesmith..."
Harlock Hero says:
the last parts we were still working on
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
why can't we have the free trade riddle too?
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
didn't we have 3 riddles?
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
free trade, school, candle
Harlock Hero says:
4 riddles is too many
Harlock Hero says:
the last riddle is tilde himself
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
what is th e4th?
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
oh!
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
alright
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
no free trade then
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
the game isn't about capitalism vs. communism
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
it's about the creation of a world of altruism
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
and how that world is broken
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
and what that world would look like
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
as anthem is to selflessness, tilde is to christmas
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
and the whole idea of giving gifts to others
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
who you don't like
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
this is a good game for a 1.5 month thing
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
imagine what we could do in 5 years
Harlock Hero says:
((excellent japanese word i just found: ningenkai))
Harlock Hero says:
(("the world of humans"))
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
sounds like nijinohai, one of my characters
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
maybe i should rename her ningenkai
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
but she isn't that important of a character
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
so it wouldn't matter
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
but!
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
i can name her sword ningenkai
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
and have that sword pass on to lesift
Harlock Hero says:
good idea
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
unless you want to use the word?
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
i'm not stealing it?
Harlock Hero says:
no
Harlock Hero says:
i've got seisuikouken
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
suikoden?
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
water margin?
Harlock Hero says:
suikouken
Harlock Hero says:
seisuikouken*
Harlock Hero says:
the sword of clear intent
Harlock Hero says:
intent/intention*
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
good
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
weapon names are important
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
you should have emphasized that in your weapons tutorial
Harlock Hero says:
yeah
Harlock Hero says:
also that other section
Harlock Hero says:
what type of characters use what type of weapons
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
yes, but i put them in the same section
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
they are all subparts of 'battle graphics'
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
you, charible, my attacks/battle bg/enemy gfx parts
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
5 parts in all
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
only my attacks part is good
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
my battle bg tutorial is lacking in helpfulness
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
and my enemy gfx part is necessarily lacking in helpfulness
Harlock Hero says:
((remind me of the phrase "heroism news" when we're done))
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
k
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
so we have 3 riddles now
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
now we need school ideas
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
you gave some
Harlock Hero says:
is that how you're going to word the 2nd riddle?
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
hm?
Harlock Hero says:
let's develop the school sub-plot first
Harlock Hero says:
then add details
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
k
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
did you see the school on the town map?
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
it's huge
Harlock Hero says:
yeah
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
two buildings
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
one for high school, one for elementary
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
so only going in elementary will be necessary
Harlock Hero says:
so tilde and mortevold and andre approach it and decide that it must be the answer. what makes them decide that they need proof of their being there?
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
hm...
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
the riddle itself
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
it must say something like
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
'return here with the instrument of force which is used to keep this structure in place'
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
but in better words
Harlock Hero says:
okay
Harlock Hero says:
should the school be liberated?
Harlock Hero says:
or just shooken up?
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
probably just shooken up
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
like the mines of moria
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
is should have the same feeling
Harlock Hero says:
also, meen and neem should be involved in the subplot somehow
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
of not wanting to bring the orcs on them
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
so they keep quiet
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
they should
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
they can show tilde around
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
maybe tilde goes in invisible
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
w/ the mask on, and alone
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
and follows meen and neem
Harlock Hero says:
the headmaster will have confiscated their toy
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
then goes to a door
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
and lets the other sin
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
since the doors will all be locked
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
others in*
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
maybe there can be an entrace from the sewer system
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
so andre and mortevold are waiting underneight
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
btw, how do you spell underneight?
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
underneighth?
Harlock Hero says:
underneath
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
...
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
that makes sense
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
repeat your suggestions about the school
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
all i remember you saying is about cinder blocks
Harlock Hero says:
1. have a library with 3 books
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
oh, and the desks trap them
Harlock Hero says:
i named them...
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
hm
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
you did
Harlock Hero says:
the scarlet letter, the bible, and webster's dictionary i think
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
one of them was 'some encyclopeadia'
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
1953 something
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
encyclopeadia of what?
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
just general?
Harlock Hero says:
yeah, the worldbook encyclopaedia, volume q, 1953
Harlock Hero says:
but
Harlock Hero says:
webster's is better
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
yes
Harlock Hero says:
the encyclopedia is just funny
Harlock Hero says:
webster's is meaningfull
Harlock Hero says:
meaningful*
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
it should be funny and meaningful
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
webster's dictionary, volue
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
volume q
Harlock Hero says:
okay
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
dictionaries can be so large
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
that they need volues
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
volumes
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
because now they tell you how to use the word
Harlock Hero says:
anyway, outside the poorly stocked library, there's a giant trophy of the hockey team
Harlock Hero says:
crafted in gold
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
and more about what sentences and phrases it needs to be used in
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
and gives example sentences
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
and says 'using it in any sentence but these is incorrect'
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
so every sentence is defined
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
and everyone in the unworld mostly uses set sentences
Harlock Hero says:
there's a labor yard instead of a playground
Harlock Hero says:
to teach students that life shouldn't be fun
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
yes
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
but isn't hockey fun?
Harlock Hero says:
not organized hockey
Harlock Hero says:
there was a story on the news about a father who beat another father to death at their son's little league hockey game
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
are you going to redo all of heretics enemy gfx in that style?
Harlock Hero says:
over an argument about the score or something
Harlock Hero says:
yes
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
good
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
how about the heroes?
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
those look okay, but not great
Harlock Hero says:
the heroes i'm like 80% satisfied with
Harlock Hero says:
but i don't know yet why they dissatisfy me
Harlock Hero says:
maybe its color selection... the glig was terrible before i altered the palette
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
what snes rpg has the best hero gfx?
Harlock Hero says:
http://24.73.5.107/sitegfx/glig.gif
http://24.73.5.107/sitegfx/glig2.gif see?
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
i'd say lufia2
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
or breath of fire 2
Harlock Hero says:
lufia 2's are alright
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
maybe chrono trigger
Harlock Hero says:
but unbefitting in a way
Harlock Hero says:
probably chrono trigger
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
chrono trigger hero gfx are smaller t han 40x32
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
i wonder why no one has ripped them and used them
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
they've taken ff1 and ff4
Harlock Hero says:
dunno
Harlock Hero says:
ff6 are 16*24
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
yeah
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
1.5 stamps
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
i think of everything in terms of 16x16 stamps
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
from playing mario paint
Harlock Hero says:
heh
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
goombas are 1 stamp
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
so are most zelda enemies
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
some are 4 stamps
Harlock Hero says:
do you see the poor color selection in glig/glig2 and the difference it made?
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
yes
Harlock Hero says:
maybe that's what's ailing my hero graphics
Harlock Hero says:
but anyway
Harlock Hero says:
so tilde can go to the school
Harlock Hero says:
and meet up with meen and neem
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
do they know he is coming?
Harlock Hero says:
they can mention that the headmaster stole their toy
Harlock Hero says:
no, he can meet them in the labor yard
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
k
Harlock Hero says:
after sneaking in invisibly
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
k
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
does the school have enemies?
Harlock Hero says:
and in order to get them to lead him to the draining/waste room (and thusly to the sewer), he has to get back their toy
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
hall patrolers?
Harlock Hero says:
yeah
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
robots?
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
robot hall patrol
Harlock Hero says:
robotic hall-- yeah
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
what do they look like?
Harlock Hero says:
ever seen daleks in dr. who?
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
i picture those unicycle type robots from tmnt
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
never saw that
Harlock Hero says:
mousers
Harlock Hero says:
those are good too
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
those are for eating pests
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
they are useless against children
Harlock Hero says:
daleks are tapered cylinders (smaller at the top) with lights all up and down them and a cannon and claw on the top
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
you draw one
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
or sketch one
Harlock Hero says:
mousers are better than daleks
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
and i'll make the enemy gfx from it
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
they are?
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
then sketch both
Harlock Hero says:
yeah
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
and i'll draw both
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
i can remember what mousers look like though
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
i used to draw them
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
so just draw the dalke
Harlock Hero says:
at first
Harlock Hero says:
there should be no enemies probably
Harlock Hero says:
but tilde can trigger an alarm when finding the toy in the lost and found
Harlock Hero says:
and then someone can alert security and the halls will flood with robots
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
haggard: Final Fantasy VII on the N64? Hmmm... That actually might have been a good thing... Maybe.
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
agree or disagree?
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
ff7 w/o fmv
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
lost and found?
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
why would the school have a lost and found?
Harlock Hero says:
not the lost and found
Harlock Hero says:
the confiscated box
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
they can't bring anything to school
Harlock Hero says:
it should look like the amalgon box
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
amalgon?
Harlock Hero says:
amalgon
Harlock Hero says:
anyway, amalgon has a box
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
i have to collect everything in this window that refers to tilde and copy it
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
so stop talking
Harlock Hero says:
so, meen and neem can stuff tilde into the air vents
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
it blanks out the screen
Harlock Hero says:
blanks?
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
stop
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
everytime you send a message, it causes the window to turn all white and the text to vanish
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
i have to refresh screen to fix
Harlock Hero says:
just hit file-save, and edit it in notepad
Rinku Rydia Raft Rell says:
k
Harlock Hero says:
utilize efficiency
7:44 am
[rinku]
must work on tilde
today i only worked on ergintandal, when i intended to work on tilde. i need to get into a tilde mindset. maybe once harlock starts posting scans of his manga-in-progress adaption. or i could go research some xmas history online. sounds good, i'll do that now.

oh, and seeing as this is the first entry, i'll be posting some harlock/rinku tilde logs soon.
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